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Parham Wood

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I know Bentley station and there is no other means to get there for many passengers other than by car. I would suggest you try and form an action group with other regular parkers and confront Network Rail about it.
 
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It’s £22.50 to park for the day at Leeds station

Therefore if I was going on a day out by train, I either park elsewhere in the city or use the Park & Ride, or drive somewhere else (if I’m heading to Nottingham or Birmingham for example I tend to drive to Meadowhall, heading westwards Low Moor can be a good choice, at weekends I think it costs £1 to park in The Broadway in Bradford)

I presume they only charge such an amount because high end customers in Range Rovers or people on business expenses will pay it. I can’t imagine a leisure traveller willingly adding £22 on top of the price of their ticket
Pricing for Leeds went up (including removal of cheap weekend parking) when Trinity opened, presumably to discourage shoppers from parking there to the detriment of rail users.

The main car park at Trinity (previously Boar Lane NCP) is £20 for 6-8 hours and £35 for up to 24 hours. Sovereign Square Q-Park is £3.30 per hour for most of the day, with a cap of £33 per 24 hour period.
 

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Maybe consider parking a bit further away and taking a short bus or bike ride to the station to save on costs.
 

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You also have to remember TOCs don't see farebox revenue anymore , and many (if not most) car parks are outsourced, so there isn't a reason to believe their is any rational link between car park charge decisions and how they effect passenger numbers

I don't understand your logic here. People deciding whether to drive to the station to catch the train or drive all the way aren't going to care whose pocket the money ends up in, only how much money comes out of their own pocket.
 

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I don't understand your logic here. People deciding whether to drive to the station to catch the train or drive all the way aren't going to care whose pocket the money ends up in, only how much money comes out of their own pocket.
No, people in this thread where implying that the prices have been decidedly perfectly to maximise revenue (for the railway ) , but since the companies who set the parking prices and the TOCs , the parking companies aren't going to care how many people take the train , only their own bottom line, theirs not any joint up thinking between say Qpark and Avanti
 

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No, people in this thread where implying that the prices have been decidedly perfectly to maximise revenue (for the railway ) , but since the companies who set the parking prices and the TOCs , the parking companies aren't going to care how many people take the train , only their own bottom line, theirs not any joint up thinking between say Qpark and Avanti

But economic reality dictates that they set prices at a level the market will bear. If nobody uses privately owned station car parks because they’re too expensive, that’s going to mean the parking company goes out of business pretty quickly.

As noted above, station car parks have never been free and that has (up to now) never been suggested as being something which puts people off using the railway.
 

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I can't recall the exact prices but 30 years ago parking at Chesterfield was in short supply. A lot more has been added and pre-Covid the price had also gone up, yet it was often still full. Nearby parking was able to undercut the station so after Covid many spaces became free. Station prices have been reduced.

Market forces. Water finds its own level!

Sheffield prices are high. SYMCA provides free park and ride at several stations including Dore (handy for Manchester bound) and Meadowhall (handy for Leeds, Doncaster etc). Quite a lot have sussed that out!
 

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Tame Bridge Parkway, by the M5/M6 interchange, has free parking. Very handy for leaving the car there and then getting the train into Birmingham. Avoids the cleaner air charge in Birmingham city centre.
 

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Tame Bridge Parkway, by the M5/M6 interchange, has free parking. Very handy for leaving the car there and then getting the train into Birmingham. Avoids the cleaner air charge in Birmingham city centre.

Parking at most Merseyrail stations is free, allowing the same, but stupidly not permitted overnight so once parked and in town you can't decide to have a drink and leave your car, which I've long thought stupid, as you'll get a fine. Why they don't allow it for payment of say £10 I don't understand.
 

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Parking at most Merseyrail stations is free, allowing the same, but stupidly not permitted overnight so once parked and in town you can't decide to have a drink and leave your car, which I've long thought stupid, as you'll get a fine. Why they don't allow it for payment of say £10 I don't understand.
Likewise isn't parking at most of the Manchester metrolink P&R sites free to encourage usage.

Maybe consider parking a bit further away and taking a short bus or bike ride to the station to save on costs.

Assuming said bus exist in the rural area and is actually usable (not one of those zombie bus routes which runs a handful of times a day and gets little use) or the roads are suitable for riding along.
 

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Likewise isn't parking at most of the Manchester metrolink P&R sites free to encourage usage.
Understand that to be correct, albeit it's usually with no overnight parking allowed after the Metrolink trams have stopped running for the night (possible exception being on Friday / Saturday nights when at certain locations, you have until 12 noon the next day to move your car).


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The following extended hours will apply for permitted parking:
a) Customers parking a vehicle on a Friday will have to remove it before 12 noon on Saturday; and
b) Customers parking a vehicle on a Saturday will have to remove it before 12 noon on Sunday.

All customers must remove their vehicles before the end of the tram services on Sunday to Thursday.
 

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Understand that to be correct, albeit it's usually with no overnight parking allowed after the Metrolink trams have stopped running for the night (possible exception being on Friday / Saturday nights when at certain locations, you have until 12 noon the next day to move your car).

At least they do that - Merseyrail don't. Most Merseyrail users will to be fair walk to the station, but there are people who don't (e.g. in the rural hinterlands around places like Ormskirk and Headbolt Lane) and it really would be better if they were allowed to collect their car the next day if they chose to have a drink after work, for instance. A charge for this would be reasonable (to stop residents parking in the station car park all the time and blocking spaces), but not a fine.
 

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economic reality dictates that they set prices at a level the market will bear.
What maximises their own revenue isn't the same as what maximises the TOCs revenue, and then you have to also price in the externalities of the extra driving high car park prices create
 

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What maximises their own revenue isn't the same as what maximises the TOCs revenue, and then you have to also price in the externalities of the extra driving high car park prices create

If the car park is serving a station (and especially if it isn’t convenient for anything else) then the car park owner’s interests are aligned with the TOC’s.

Do high car parking prices create extra driving? It anything they might encourage people not to drive in the first place!
 

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Or just encourage them to drive the whole way

I’d suggest people who can easily drive the whole way are likely doing that anyway.

Take the example of Headcorn given above. People travelling from rural Kent into London are unlikely to decide to do the entire journey by car because they have to pay a few quid to park at their local station. They might no longer be doing the journey as much because they work from home, but those same people pre pandemic were happy to pay to park and commute by train. That suggests the cost of parking is neither here nor there.

At the other side end of the spectrum, it costs around £50 per day to park in the NCP at St Pancras, and it’s very well used. Clearly that’s a different market again.
 

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What maximises their own revenue isn't the same as what maximises the TOCs revenue, and then you have to also price in the externalities of the extra driving high car park prices create
It is completely pie-in-the-sky to think that the TOCs have no input at all into how car parks are priced. A lot are simply managed by an external company (such as APCOA) with them taking a management fee or % of income.
 

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I’d suggest people who can easily drive the whole way are likely doing that anyway.

Take the example of Headcorn given above. People travelling from rural Kent into London are unlikely to decide to do the entire journey by car because they have to pay a few quid to park at their local station. They might no longer be doing the journey as much because they work from home, but those same people pre pandemic were happy to pay to park and commute by train. That suggests the cost of parking is neither here nor there.

At the other side end of the spectrum, it costs around £50 per day to park in the NCP at St Pancras, and it’s very well used. Clearly that’s a different market again.
I could see them doing the journey to Tonbridge car to save £7.40 though
 

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At the other side end of the spectrum, it costs around £50 per day to park in the NCP at St Pancras, and it’s very well used. Clearly that’s a different market again.
Most likely business people whom claim the £50 a day for parking back on expenses, as it's probably cheaper than paying for an Anytime return on the trains.
 

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Parking at most Merseyrail stations is free, allowing the same, but stupidly not permitted overnight so once parked and in town you can't decide to have a drink and leave your car, which I've long thought stupid, as you'll get a fine. Why they don't allow it for payment of say £10 I don't understand.
Parking is free at all Merseyrail stations except Southport, Hooton and Chester. It is also free at City Line stations within Merseyside where such facilities exist. Some people do leave their cars overnight at stations at their own risk.
 

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Why should people be able to store a vehicle for free?
My opinion is that railway parking should come free or for a very discounted price when used with a season ticket. Then you'll have more people using the railway, it's a + on both sides, more passengers and more season ticket revenue.

Exactly like most Park+Ride in continental Europe where If you have a validated ticket (at another station) parking is free for the day.
 

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My opinion is that railway parking should come free or for a very discounted price when used with a season ticket. Then you'll have more people using the railway, it's a + on both sides, more passengers and more season ticket revenue.
But why should the person who drives get free parking while the person who takes the bus pays a bus fare? Why not give free bus travel to the station as well?

I think offering a combined park+ride ticket does make sense, particularly at parkway stations designed for this. But in general car users should not get favourable treatment compared to bus/cycle/walk users.
 

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Station car parks at main city centre stations are always going to be expensive but these stations are usually reasonably accessible by bus. It‘s more problematic at stations in smaller towns which act as a railhead for wide rural areas. One example not too far from me is Newark Northgate, which although Newark is only a largish market town, being on the ECML has daily parking charges of up to £15. The bus services into Newark from many of the surrounding villages are not very frequent, with very few early morning buses or buses after 7pm. Also Northgate Station is a long walk out of the town centre from the bus station. For those living in a village a good few miles outside of Newark, for medium distance journeys along the ECML such as Doncaster, Peterborough or York, it is often easier just to drive the whole way. I sometimes do that when visiting York as driving up the A1 and A64 and using the park and ride can be far less costly.
 

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*NSE's car park building/ extension programme in the 1980s had the aim of encouraging train travel. In my recollection the level of parking charges had the same aim. The change to operation by parking companies (some with questionable integrity) will not have helped retain that alignment of interest. It's now a cash-cow in its own right where public transport and/ or parking alternatives don't exist.
*Network SouthEast
 

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It the station car park was free. It also becomes the place where people park when they go shopping locally or work locally. Station parking prices act as a deterrent to prevent no railway customer use.
 

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But why should the person who drives get free parking while the person who takes the bus pays a bus fare? Why not give free bus travel to the station as well?
This the same thinking HS2 opponents use when they think cancelling HS2 will get their pet branch line rebuilt. One method of mode intergration will not prevent others. One is just easier because TOCs own the car parks but don't own the bus companies
 

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*NSE's car park building/ extension programme in the 1980s had the aim of encouraging train travel. In my recollection the level of parking charges had the same aim. The change to operation by parking companies (some with questionable integrity) will not have helped retain that alignment of interest. It's now a cash-cow in its own right where public transport and/ or parking alternatives don't exist.
*Network SouthEast
In particular, NSE made many car parks free at weekends, I used Petersfield station car park frequently as a result. In the week it was full when I wanted to use it anyway.
 

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I suspect car use will dwindle significanlty if insurance, fuel, parking costs, lack of chargers, environmental restrictions. 20mph etc, keep increasing. Near to killing the golden goose of motoring which seems a milk cow to all who have motorists wanting to use a particular service they run.
Unfortunately I disagree, most people see car ownership and usage as essential so would cut expenditure elsewhere such as going out to bars, restaurants, cinema, theatre and other leisure based pursuits.
 

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Unfortunately I disagree, most people see car ownership and usage as essential so would cut expenditure elsewhere such as going out to bars, restaurants, cinema, theatre and other leisure based pursuits.
I agree here, a group of 4 travelling from Llandudno to Chester would cost about £100.00 where as driving means fuel costs about £15.00 , car wear and tare a couple of quid at most and parking another few quid on top. The railway with its unreliability and poor timetabling will price itself out of the game soon if prices continue to rise at such a rate.
 
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