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But is it practical - or even possible - to count the number of passengers who could be affected, on anything up to half a dozen trains, to find the utilitarian solution? Especially in the time available

Sometimes it would be pretty straightforward, other times less so.

I was going to mention this. Myself and a friend were heading to the Windermere Airshow last year but the service was 10 minutes late into Preston and lost further time at Lancaster. We must have 'missed' the TPE at Oxenholme by 12 minutes but they held it, which is just as well given the amount of people who got off the Virgin service there heading for Windermere.

This would have been a more straight forward occasion! I would guess the number of travellers for Windermere far exceeded those already on the branch train, and there was sufficient turn round time and slakc toe nsure that the return service from Windermere could leave at the right time.

I've known of a connecting service to wait a good 45mins-1 hour before now, might have something to do with one of the arriva directors wanting it mind...

Is this one of those lovely railway urban myths?!

I'm sure they can, and some may do, but I've seen a taxi bill for over £750 before, but the people in the taxi could have been told to get a train 1/3 of the way there then a taxi, and would have been happy in a hotel, and travel the next day, which would have cost a lot less.

I'm not saying that the system is perfect, or that there's not money that can be saved! I suspect that there are quite a few occasions where a train and taxi combination would be cheaper!
 
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I witnessed a very good example of TOC joined up thinking concerning connections at the start of the year that proves that such acts of good will do still occur in the rail industry: I was booked on the 19:00 Edinburgh-Kings Cross East Coast service on the first Sunday after new year, which is the last train to London from Edinburgh on a Sunday. The train arrived at Waverley from Glasgow on time, and was then held for around 40 minutes: The reason? The afternoon Aberdeen to London HST had failed enroute to Edinburgh, and was dragged into Edinburgh exceptionally late at 19:35, where it terminated and all the passengers were transferred to our service, so that all the passengers from north of Edinburgh could still make it back to their various English destinations. If the 19:00 Edinburgh-Kings Cross hadn't been held to meet the HST, the passengers from the service would have had to spend the night in Edinburgh, and the failed HST was even platformed at Waverley to allow a direct transfer from the adjacent platform face to the London train. I thought that was a really nice gesture from East Coast and all concerned. At that time on an evening the Edinburgh-Newcastle section of the ECML is relatively quiet, so there would be few knock on effects of the 19:00 departing Edinburgh late.

On the flip side, I also have a friend who was given a Cheltenham to Birmingham taxi ride by Crosscountry, as the FGW service he caught from Bath to Cheltenham was running late and as such missed its' connection with the last Birmingham bound XC service, which he was booked to catch at Cheltenham. At least Crosscountry were kind enough to pay his taxi fare! Given the nature of Cheltenham station though, with just one platform each way, it would have been impossible to hold the XC service in this instance.
 

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XC would have reclaimed the taxi money from FGW! Perhaps this is why taxi's are sometimes used for a long journey when it could be possible to still use a train for part of it?
 

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There should be different rules for the so called Branch Line Trains which should be exempt from any penalties whatsoever if they wait for late running main line trains. Having experienced a missed connection at Nuneaton for Leicester(last train) I saw how crass the current system is. Virgin telephoned ahead but control for X Country said no. In the meantime it was left to London Midland Staff to source taxis for 15 passengers. I would not mind, but the X country train waits at Leicester for 15 minutes before returning to Birmingham. The whole system is chaotic, not fit for purpose, but nobody speaks out on behalf of passengers.

I used to use the 2245 from Nuneaton to Leicester, which to the best of my knowledge is still the last train from Nuneaton to Leicester and a stopper at all stations on that route. It stays at Leicester overnight though as far as I can tell because the last train from Leicester to Birmingham is the 2249?

It was often held for what was then the 2045 from Manchester to connect with it, but since VHF there has not been a service at that time I could use so it is a while since I have had experience of Nuneaton at that time of night.

The biggest frustration for me is the Ivanhoe line out of Leicester which leaves just after the fast from Sheffield has arrived, that could save me a long time getting to Syston if it went a couple of minutes later like it used to. To exit platform 4 it has to run onto the up fast and then join the slow lines so blocks the Sheffield getting in to platform 3. Irrelevant now it fails the minimum connection time but when it was at xx35 and the sheffield used to arrive at xx30 that was a fair connection, but sometimes if the sheffield was 4 or 5 down they would let the ivanhoe out and so the Sheffield would arrive Leicester at xx36 (a couple of times I was sat at the signal outside Leicester at xx34). Now with the extra London from Sheffield it is easier to wait a little longer and then change at East Midlands Parkway or Loughborough.
 
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