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I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage and had missed my stop. I got asked to show my ticket and explained the situation, and the lady said I have an hour to travel back to Stevenage, take a picture of me there and then send it in.
I asked her multiple times what type of picture, she just said one of me on the train at Stevenage. I also asked how I would send it in and she said I will get a letter which I know from experience takes absolutely ages to come.
There are no trains back within the hour so I'm completely panicked on what to do, does anyone know if they actually have a timer, and how would they know that I took the picture at that specific time? (would they check CCTV?)
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage and had missed my stop. I got asked to show my ticket and explained the situation, and the lady said I have an hour to travel back to Stevenage, take a picture of me there and then send it in.
I asked her multiple times what type of picture, she just said one of me on the train at Stevenage. I also asked how I would send it in and she said I will get a letter which I know from experience takes absolutely ages to come.
This is a very interesting one. What time and date did the interaction occur? Did you you take the photo, if so at what time, and what does the photo show - is there a clock or departure board in the background, or the sun position, or anything that could give an indication of the time?
There are no trains back within the hour so I'm completely panicked on what to do, does anyone know if they actually have a timer, and how would they know that I took the picture at that specific time? (would they check CCTV?)
If this is a situation still in progress, just get back as soon as possible and take a photo with a station clock in the background. If they can see that you got back as soon as reasonably possible that should help your case.
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage and had missed my stop. I got asked to show my ticket and explained the situation, and the lady said I have an hour to travel back to Stevenage, take a picture of me there and then send it in.
I asked her multiple times what type of picture, she just said one of me on the train at Stevenage. I also asked how I would send it in and she said I will get a letter which I know from experience takes absolutely ages to come.
There are no trains back within the hour so I'm completely panicked on what to do, does anyone know if they actually have a timer, and how would they know that I took the picture at that specific time? (would they check CCTV?)
If this is happening right now, then get the first train back to Stevenage. When you get there, try to get a picture that is obviously Stevenage station (including the name board would be good) and showing one of the station clocks (maybe on the destination boards) - and of course yourself. Then when the railway write to you, they may ask for you to send details of your railcard. Instead, send them your picture and explain what the lady told you to do.
Most likely, you won't get a letter: I think the lady was doing you a favour by sending you back to Stevenage - which of course is where you want to be. But if you'd been fare dodging, it would have spoilt your chance to get a free ride to wherever you really want to go.
This is a very interesting one. What time and date did the interaction occur? Did you you take the photo, if so at what time, and what does the photo show - is there a clock or departure board in the background, or the sun position, or anything that could give an indication of the time?
If this is a situation still in progress, just get back as soon as possible and take a photo with a station clock in the background. If they can see that you got back as soon as reasonably possible that should help your case.
And don’t panic if it takes slightly longer than an hour to get back to Stevenage - as long as you couldn’t have got back sooner, “the railway” will know that (though it might take a couple of attempts to get them to accept it).
I ended up getting off at Finsbury Park, then taking back the first train I could. I took the pictures but I have no clue if this will actually mean anything.
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She took down my details from my bank app, with my name and address, scanned my ticket and have me a witness receipt- I took a picture with the station clock just in case but this was very confusing for me. I let her know I am autistic and asked multiple times for better clarity but didn't receive this, hopefully if I do get a letter they would be understanding of this.
I ended up getting off at Finsbury Park, then taking back the first train I could. I took the pictures but I have no clue if this will actually mean anything.
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She took down my details from my bank app, with my name and address, scanned my ticket and have me a witness receipt- I took a picture with the station clock just in case but this was very confusing for me. I let her know I am autistic and asked multiple times for better clarity but didn't receive this, hopefully if I do get a letter they would be understanding of this.
I let her know I am autistic and asked multiple times for better clarity but didn't receive this, hopefully if I do get a letter they would be understanding of this.
I would hope so, and I would hope that they would honour the word of the member of staff too, though it may take some work on their end to verify it.
Unintentionally travelling beyond the validity of your ticket is generally not actually an offence, unlike unintentionally boarding without a valid ticket - you can be issued a penalty fare for it but because that didn’t happen at the time it’s no longer an option. However I am sure you’d rather not have to argue this with GTR, potentially in court, so fingers crossed they’re reasonable (they usually are).
Let’s see what the letter says when it comes. Come back and upload a photo of it (redact personal details) when it comes and we will help!
Hello, I've just received a letter threatening to take me to court AGAIN over this, I'm not sure what to do at all because the instructions were so weird at the time.
Here is the letter attached, any help is greatly appreciated.
The letter seems to be accusing you of something very different from what you say. If you were overcarried from Stevenage to Finsbury Park, you cannot have “entered a train at Welwyn North” for any purpose.
The letter seems to be accusing you of something very different from what you say. If you were overcarried from Stevenage to Finsbury Park, you cannot have “entered a train at Welwyn North” for any purpose.
As you will know, Stevenage is the next stop after Hitchin and only 5 minutes journey time. So I would imagine any investigator will regard an explanation that you missed your stop as highly suspicious, and doubt the sincerity of any apology as a result.
Gives us a clearer picture of why the OP isn't confirming that they took a picture after their immediate return to Stevenage. The OP needs to be aware that GTR will run out of patience eventually and go through with a prosecution.
As you will know, Stevenage is the next stop after Hitchin and only 5 minutes journey time. So I would imagine any investigator will regard an explanation that you missed your stop as highly suspicious, and doubt the sincerity of any apology as a result.
Gives us a clearer picture of why the OP isn't confirming that they took a picture after their immediate return to Stevenage. The OP needs to be aware that GTR will run out of patience eventually and go through with a prosecution.
Firstly, I would like to say that I really don't appreciate the hostility given here considering I have stated in the replies to my post that I did in fact travel back to Stevenage and take a picture as I was told to do. Not sure if you want me to post it here but I would not want to do that for privacy reasons.
The train inspector was understanding of my situation as I had my headphones in and I struggle with public transport in general due to my autism, which I had also explained to her multiple times and was given no clear instructions after repeatedly asking, they should have this on her bodycam.
I am aware I had issues with them before (for which I have paid on time and never have been taken to court) which may not help me this time, but after the last incident where they did threaten court proceedings, I have genuinely stopped short ticketing- this time was an honest mistake and I would appreciate any sort of actual advice.
I'm not sure what to say to them at all or if they would even be bothered enough to properly look into the situation, given that I'm not sure that a simple image is enough proof.
This is causing me immense stress and I'd appreciate any help at all.
My post set out how it may seem to the people who matter - the investigators who will determine what action to take. You need to be realistic as to what they will think given your recent history with them (which I wasnt aware of when I posted, but which reinforces my opinion).
I haven't been following this thread closely, but based off of what I've seen, and the letter you have recieved, I would suggest replying with the following:
That you are very sorry for what has happened and you understand why what you did was wrong (even if it wasn't intentionally fare doging - it was still an offence)
That you accidentally overtraveled, were told by the inspector to return to your intended destination, and did so on the first train available
That you did not intend to evade the fare, but take responsibility for what happened
That you will be certain to ensure you don't overtravel again and ensure you always have a valid ticket for your journey
That you are keen to resolve the matter without the need for court action and are happy to pay the outstanding fare and any admin costs they have incurred
Even though in my view you have done nothing wrong, I would suggest that you take responsibility and don't try and fight back - otherwise they're more likely to take you to court. Hopefully they don't charge you for any other journeys in the past, but if I understand correctly, these instances have been dealt with be previous penalty fares.
Do let us know if you have any further questions. It might also be worth looking through other GTR notice of intention to prosecute threads to see other people's letters to get a further idea of what to say.
I haven't been following this thread closely, but based off of what I've seen, and the letter you have recieved, I would suggest replying with the following:
That you are very sorry for what has happened and you understand why what you did was wrong (even if it wasn't intentionally fare doging - it was still an offence)
That you accidentally overtraveled, were told by the inspector to return to your intended destination, and did so on the first train available
That you did not intend to evade the fare, but take responsibility for what happened
That you will be certain to ensure you don't overtravel again and ensure you always have a valid ticket for your journey
That you are keen to resolve the matter without the need for court action and are happy to pay the outstanding fare and any admin costs they have incurred
Even though in my view you have done nothing wrong, I would suggest that you take responsibility and don't try and fight back - otherwise they're more likely to take you to court. Hopefully they don't charge you for any other journeys in the past, but if I understand correctly, these instances have been dealt with be previous penalty fares.
Do let us know if you have any further questions. It might also be worth looking through other GTR notice of intention to prosecute threads to see other people's letters to get a further idea of what to say.
This is fundamentally sound advice. The letter you've received is the standard first letter and although it talks about prosecution we find that GTR almost always allow passengers to settle out of court. I think that if you reply as suggested (and if you have the photos that you might have been able to take when this happened, include them) you won't be taken to court.
Firstly, I would like to say that I really don't appreciate the hostility given here considering I have stated in the replies to my post that I did in fact travel back to Stevenage and take a picture as I was told to do. Not sure if you want me to post it here but I would not want to do that for privacy reasons.
The train inspector was understanding of my situation as I had my headphones in and I struggle with public transport in general due to my autism, which I had also explained to her multiple times and was given no clear instructions after repeatedly asking, they should have this on her bodycam.
I am aware I had issues with them before (for which I have paid on time and never have been taken to court) which may not help me this time, but after the last incident where they did threaten court proceedings, I have genuinely stopped short ticketing- this time was an honest mistake and I would appreciate any sort of actual advice.
I'm not sure what to say to them at all or if they would even be bothered enough to properly look into the situation, given that I'm not sure that a simple image is enough proof.
This is causing me immense stress and I'd appreciate any help at all.
With respect, I don’t think they were being hostile but rather helping you try to get the best outcome for yourself.
At this point, you will be very very lucky to find yourself out of court - put yourself in the position of an RPO or Fraud Team investigator - someone with a history of multiple penalty fares and short fares from GTR - who has a ticket from Hitchin to Stevenage and is caught on the way to Finsbury Park. Would you believe them?
The advice above from @SECR 65 is good - I strongly recommend you take it.
I haven't been following this thread closely, but based off of what I've seen, and the letter you have recieved, I would suggest replying with the following:
That you are very sorry for what has happened and you understand why what you did was wrong (even if it wasn't intentionally fare doging - it was still an offence)
That you accidentally overtraveled, were told by the inspector to return to your intended destination, and did so on the first train available
That you did not intend to evade the fare, but take responsibility for what happened
That you will be certain to ensure you don't overtravel again and ensure you always have a valid ticket for your journey
That you are keen to resolve the matter without the need for court action and are happy to pay the outstanding fare and any admin costs they have incurred
Even though in my view you have done nothing wrong, I would suggest that you take responsibility and don't try and fight back - otherwise they're more likely to take you to court. Hopefully they don't charge you for any other journeys in the past, but if I understand correctly, these instances have been dealt with be previous penalty fares.
Do let us know if you have any further questions. It might also be worth looking through other GTR notice of intention to prosecute threads to see other people's letters to get a further idea of what to say.
This is fundamentally sound advice. The letter you've received is the standard first letter and although it talks about prosecution we find that GTR almost always allow passengers to settle out of court. I think that if you reply as suggested (and if you have the photos that you might have been able to take when this happened, include them) you won't be taken to court.
With respect, I don’t think they were being hostile but rather helping you try to get the best outcome for yourself.
At this point, you will be very very lucky to find yourself out of court - put yourself in the position of an RPO or Fraud Team investigator - someone with a history of multiple penalty fares and short fares from GTR - who has a ticket from Hitchin to Stevenage and is caught on the way to Finsbury Park. Would you believe them?
The advice above from @SECR 65 is good - I strongly recommend you take it.
Thank you so much for your help, I'll take the advice and I understand now what was meant by the other posters. I'll draft a letter profusely apologising for this mistake and just hope for the best.
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Hello all,
Here's a draft of the letter to the Prosecutions team- I feel it may be a bit longwinded so any help with wording would be greatly appreciated.
For the record, I'm sending this through their online portal so I can attach the image I took.
Dear Prosecutions Team,
I am writing to sincerely apologise and take responsibility in regards to an incident which occurred on 24th of February 2026 on the train from Hitchin to Finsbury Park.
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage with a valid ticket and had accidentally missed my stop due to having had my headphones in and being asleep, and was then approached by a train inspector around Welwyn North.
I explained my situation to her, and she advised me to take the first train back from Finsbury Park to Stevenage, which I did as soon as I got to the station. I was given unclear instructions about taking a picture of myself back on the train to Stevenage- I had asked multiple times for clarification due to me being autistic and received no further correspondence, so I have attached the picture I took to the best of my ability as was requested of me. I understand, however, that this was my fault and I am deeply ashamed of my unorganisation and the consequences it has caused to the railway.
I had no intentions of evading the fare, however I understand that overtravelling is still an offence and for that I am deeply regretful. This is absolutely unacceptable and I am aware of the financial loss it has caused to the railway and I am determined to ensure I never overtavel again and always hold a valid ticket for my journey.
I'm writing to respectfully ask as to whether you would be open to resolving this issue out of court. I fully agree to pay any outstanding fare as well as any settlement or administrative costs deemed appropriate.
Thank you for considering my explanation. I greatly appreciate your time and the opportunity to make amends.
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage with a valid ticket and had accidentally missed my stop due to having had my headphones in and being asleep,
I'm sorry, but that will be regarded as a complete lie by the investigators, more so given your track record with them. It's 5 minutes from Hitchin to Stevenage.
You are going to have to work hard to get them not to prosecute you, and this statement will be all the evidence they need that you are not sincere and still haven't learnt your lesson.
Falling asleep with your headphones in on a 5 minute train journey is not believable, especially when you had to beg GTR to not prosecute you barely 6 months ago. I
I'm sorry, but that will be regarded as a complete lie by the investigators, more so given your track record with them. It's 5 minutes from Hitchin to Stevenage.
You are going to have to work hard to get them not to prosecute you, and this statement will be all the evidence they need that you are not sincere and still haven't learnt your lesson.
Falling asleep with your headphones in on a 5 minute train journey is not believable, especially when you had to beg GTR to not prosecute you barely 6 months ago. I
Firstly, about the falling asleep thing-the train inspector herself was very understanding of this because she had to wake me up (I have a multitude of mental and physical disabilities as I explained to her- not gonna tell a sob story here but it was not a lie and she could tell), but I know the investigator will not be so kind.
After the first incident with them I stopped short ticketing completely, they should have a record on trainline that I buy the full ticket every time, so no, that is not what 'I do'.
This was honestly just a stupid mistake and I'd apprectiate any actual help on how to amend my letter to avoid prosecution. I'm panicking a lot because this was genuinely a mistake and I didn't intend it to go this way at all. I'm very scared of prosecution and this has come at the worst possible timing in my life.
Please be kind in your responses, I'm only here looking for help and advice, I know what I did was legally an offence and I'll bite the bullet if it comes down to prosecution of course but if there's any way I can reword my letter better please let me know.
Firstly, about the falling asleep thing-the train inspector herself was very understanding of this because she had to wake me up (I have a multitude of mental and physical disabilities as I explained to her- not gonna tell a sob story here but it was not a lie and she could tell), but I know the investigator will not be so kind.
But the "I was asleep" thing is a common ruse people use to get out of paying for tickets, it's a tale as old as time. "Oh I was asleep, I missed my stop" and the being returned to origin or having to pay for a brand new ticket is just part of the cost of doing business for people who evade their fares all the time. If you have a disability which makes you uncontrollably fall asleep within a couple of minutes, like narcolepsy, you should provide proof of this in your response. Your GP or consultant will be able to write you a letter in support of this assertion. If you do have such disabilities it is also likely you are banned from driving, and would therefore be able to avail of a Disabled Person's Railcard which will help you save a third off most tickets.
After the first incident with them I stopped short ticketing completely, they should have a record on trainline that I buy the full ticket every time, so no, that is not what 'I do'.
If you have disabilities which make you fall asleep you shouldn't categorise it as a mistake. Your argument should be that this is literally not your fault at all. It's not a mistake for someone with a relevant disability to fall asleep when they should be awake. Why is this only being mentioned now?
I'm very confused about what you claim to have happened and why. On the one hand, you are a habitually dishonest person. You tell us you are a student living in poverty by way of explaining your previous fare evasion. You have three prior penalty fares, a report for prosecution and a begging letter on file admitting your offending and asking to settle out of court. On the other hand, after you exhaust what should be your last chance, you are caught in precisely the same circumstances, on a train to Finsbury Park with a one stop ticket, except this time it's down to disabilities but also at the same time "a mistake".
You need to get the sequence of events right and convince the investigator of what happened. And if it's because you're disabled, *tell them* and *substantiate it*.
But the "I was asleep" thing is a common ruse people use to get out of paying for tickets, it's a tale as old as time. "Oh I was asleep, I missed my stop" and the being returned to origin or having to pay for a brand new ticket is just part of the cost of doing business for people who evade their fares all the time. If you have a disability which makes you uncontrollably fall asleep within a couple of minutes, like narcolepsy, you should provide proof of this in your response. Your GP or consultant will be able to write you a letter in support of this assertion. If you do have such disabilities it is also likely you are banned from driving, and would therefore be able to avail of a Disabled Person's Railcard which will help you save a third off most tickets.
So you buy a ticket to Finsbury Park every day? And it's just this time you were making a one stop journey to Stevenage?
If you have disabilities which make you fall asleep you shouldn't categorise it as a mistake. Your argument should be that this is literally not your fault at all. It's not a mistake for someone with a relevant disability to fall asleep when they should be awake. Why is this only being mentioned now?
I'm very confused about what you claim to have happened and why. On the one hand, you are a habitually dishonest person. You tell us you are a student living in poverty by way of explaining your previous fare evasion. You have three prior penalty fares, a report for prosecution and a begging letter on file admitting your offending and asking to settle out of court. On the other hand, after you exhaust what should be your last chance, you are caught in precisely the same circumstances, on a train to Finsbury Park with a one stop ticket, except this time it's down to disabilities but also at the same time "a mistake".
You need to get the sequence of events right and convince the investigator of what happened. And if it's because you're disabled, *tell them* and *substantiate it*.
I understand what you mean, I don't have narcolepsy so this wouldn't be viable in the response to them which is why I said it was a mistake on my part. I'm not sure what to say to them here at all as any correspondence from my GP would take way too long. The journey is around 10 minutes, I had not slept for 2 nights prior due to my ADHD medication and a traumatic incident during the time so I did genuinely fall asleep and miss my stop, although I know from their perspective they wouldn't believe me on that. The physical disabilities I have are related to chronic pain so this is not applicable here, I apologise for making the thread confusing.
Should I just remove the part about me falling asleep and just profusely apologise? I'm really not sure what to do.
And yes I am a student living in poverty, I travel on occasion to London to go to lectures and see friends when I am able to.
I do not travel to Finsbury Park every day, I meant as in in I have always paid my fare since wherever I go. I was going to Stevenage to see a friend on this day.
The incident I had before was also for me travelling from Finsbury Park, not to Stevenage as I was doing this time, so it's not the same situation at all, I'm not sure where you got that from.
At this point I'm at a complete loss on what to do or say.
I was caught on the train and not on the station, it was a fast train from Hitchin , Stevenage then to Finsbury Park.
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Thank you so much for your help, I'll take the advice and I understand now what was meant by the other posters. I'll draft a letter profusely apologising for this mistake and just hope for the best.
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Hello all,
Here's a draft of the letter to the Prosecutions team- I feel it may be a bit longwinded so any help with wording would be greatly appreciated.
For the record, I'm sending this through their online portal so I can attach the image I took.
Dear Prosecutions Team,
I am writing to sincerely apologise and take responsibility in regards to an incident which occurred on 24th of February 2026 on the train from Hitchin to Finsbury Park.
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage with a valid ticket and had accidentally missed my stop due to having had my headphones in and being asleep, and was then approached by a train inspector around Welwyn North.
I explained my situation to her, and she advised me to take the first train back from Finsbury Park to Stevenage, which I did as soon as I got to the station. I was given unclear instructions about taking a picture of myself back on the train to Stevenage- I had asked multiple times for clarification due to me being autistic and received no further correspondence, so I have attached the picture I took to the best of my ability as was requested of me. I understand, however, that this was my fault and I am deeply ashamed of my unorganisation and the consequences it has caused to the railway.
I had no intentions of evading the fare, however I understand that overtravelling is still an offence and for that I am deeply regretful. This is absolutely unacceptable and I am aware of the financial loss it has caused to the railway and I am determined to ensure I never overtavel again and always hold a valid ticket for my journey.
I'm writing to respectfully ask as to whether you would be open to resolving this issue out of court. I fully agree to pay any outstanding fare as well as any settlement or administrative costs deemed appropriate.
Thank you for considering my explanation. I greatly appreciate your time and the opportunity to make amends.
Obviously I have noted the comments of others on the forum. At the end of the day GTR will either decide to accept the points you make and offer a settlement, or not do so and it will escalate to court.
If you want to send this letter (for example if you can't substantiate any medial condition etc that might exacerbate it, which would indeed strengthen your case if you can add it) I think the letter is generally acceptable - however I would move this sentence to an earlier paragraph because it makes more sense for it to be elsewhere than in the paragraph you have placed it in the draft
I understand, however, that this was my fault and I am deeply ashamed of my unorganisation and the consequences it has caused to the railway.
So the letter could look like this - hope this is clear:
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Dear Prosecutions Team,
Your Case Ref: xxxxxxxxx
I am writing to sincerely apologise and take responsibility in regards to an incident which occurred on 24th of February 2026 on the train from Hitchin to Finsbury Park.
I was travelling from Hitchin to Stevenage with a valid ticket and had accidentally missed my stop due to having had my headphones in and being asleep, and was then approached by a train inspector around Welwyn North. I understand, however, that this was my fault and I am deeply ashamed of my disorganisation and the consequences it has caused to the railway.
I explained my situation to her, and she advised me to take the first train back from Finsbury Park to Stevenage, which I did as soon as I got to the station. I was given unclear instructions about taking a picture of myself back on the train to Stevenage- I had asked multiple times for clarification due to me being autistic and received no further correspondence, so I have attached the picture I took to the best of my ability as was requested of me. I understand, however, that this was my fault and I am deeply ashamed of my unorganisation and the consequences it has caused to the railway.
I had no intentions of evading the fare, however I understand that over travelling is still an offence and for that I am deeply regretful. This is absolutely unacceptable and I am aware of the financial loss it has caused to the railway and I am determined to ensure I never over travel overtavel again and always hold a valid ticket for my journey.
I'm writing to respectfully ask as to whether you would be open to resolving this issue out of court. I fully agree to pay any outstanding fare as well as any settlement or administrative costs deemed appropriate.
Thank you for considering my explanation. I greatly appreciate your time and the opportunity to make amends.
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