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Conductor rail 'juice mats' & electricians gloves.

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theageofthetra

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Whilst doing my PTS I was surprised to find that on the DC conductor rail railway trains don't carry some kind of cover to place over the conductor rail to provide additional protection in the event of having to step over an electified section in an emergency. (I was told the term for these are juice mats) I am sure I saw one of these in a LT depot once. Can someone with far more railway experience than me explain why they are deemed unnecessary? Similarly I was also surprised that the wearing of electrictians safety gloves is not mandatory when walking on or near the conductor rail or the numerous live areas of a berthed EMU at track level. Again I am sure there are very sound reasons why not but would like to know!

Thanks for any input.

 
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Because putting a mat onto and lifting it off the conductor rail would be a bigger risk than just stepping over it. There are however shaped plastic troughs that fit over the rail that can be used if you actually need to work around the live rail.

You should also not walk on the conductor rail regardless of what sort of gloves you are wearing. As the older ones in particular are often quite fragile and breaking the rail at one of the welds which are often just tack welded together, would be somewhat embarrassing.
 

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Whilst doing my PTS I was surprised to find that on the DC conductor rail railway trains don't carry some kind of cover to place over the conductor rail to provide additional protection in the event of having to step over an electified section in an emergency. (I was told the term for these are juice mats) I am sure I saw one of these in a LT depot once. Can someone with far more railway experience than me explain why they are deemed unnecessary? Similarly I was also surprised that the wearing of electrictians safety gloves is not mandatory when walking on or near the conductor rail or the numerous live areas of a berthed EMU at track level. Again I am sure there are very sound reasons why not but would like to know!



Thanks for any input.





If you mean walking over the conductor rail with the public (train evacuation) or during engineering works then you would get the line isolated first anyway and lay a shirt circuiting bar as a fail safe protection. You wouldn't ever take the public over live sections of juice rail.

If you mean p-way walking about on open lines then I guess it's safer not to lay the matts as it takes longer to move it when a train approaches.

As for gloves, no one working around the live rail would be putting their hands near it and those working around trains beneath the sole bar would know what equipment is live and not too touch. Again you wouldn't go near shoe fuses and other live parts unless the unit was fully isolated in some way.

The NCL stations all have high voltage gloves for emergencies kept in a cupboard on the platform but I certainly wouldn't touch anything in contact with the 3rd rail until I had put the bar down and got an isolation.
 

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Just out of curiosity, are there foot crossings in 3rd rail country where footpaths cross the line for dog walkers or hikers etc?
 

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There are plenty of foot crossings, but the 3rd rail stops and starts either side just like a level crossing.
 

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The shaped plastic trough is what I saw at an LT depot, is there a techie term for it? Re the gloves I meant more as an extra layer of proyection if you say tripped near a live rail or live part of the EMU as its a natural reaction is to put your hands out to save you. Mind you I don't know enough about 750DC electrics to know how effective gloves would be if you were to brush a gloved hand on a live part. Any thoughts?
 

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The shaped plastic trough is what I saw at an LT depot, is there a techie term for it? Re the gloves I meant more as an extra layer of proyection if you say tripped near a live rail or live part of the EMU as its a natural reaction is to put your hands out to save you. Mind you I don't know enough about 750DC electrics to know how effective gloves would be if you were to brush a gloved hand on a live part. Any thoughts?

This may help you:-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?new...15.0....0...1c.1.47.hp..1.14.2762.zYQqA64IdFs


Third one down, the anderselite one.

Not so much now, but it used to be common practice for trained E&P Staff to work on live 3rd rail wearing the right kind of gloves.
 
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miikey

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They are called shrouds and ive never used one when working near the 3rd rail. I just always get an isolation.
With regards to gloves, they have just issued us with live line testers that are meant to be used to test if the rail is indeed isolated. They come with latex gloves but I wouldnt want to touch anything with them lol.
 

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When I did my dc lines addition to my pts many years ago our instructor made us test the gloves then touch the live 3rd rail !
 
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