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Concorde: Five years since retirement.

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Mr Alex

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It hardly seems that half a decade has passed since the world got a bit larger, I was there on the final day-was anyone else from here there too?

http://matthew-taylor.fotopic.net/c1600193.html



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Those photos are amazing!
Really nice photos there!
I was stuck at school then, I really tried to get out of it to go up to London to see the final landing but failed:cry: I regret it
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Some truly awesome shots there....

I was there for the last day of operation cycling between runways before the final landing and drag back to the hangars, a day I shall never forget

Concorde was one small step for man....when it was retired,it was one giant leap backward for mankind

RIP and thank you Concorde....

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Have they still got one parked up near the Maintenance Hangars at EGLL.

The large Concorde model that stood before you went through the tunnel is now at Brooklands museum.
 

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Amazing photos there. Well done.

I miss Concorde, however if it wasn't retired when it was, it would have been by now. Falling passenger numbers and rising fuel costs would have made it unviable IMO.
 

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hard to believe it all happened because of a bit of metal on the runway from an earlier plane


They were grounded after this,but resumed service before the decision was made to retire it.
Maintenance and parts were getting to be expensive though.
 

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Exactly. Loads of reasons, though. For one thing, they were getting a bit old, and the limited fleet size did mean maintainance was a problem. And the novelty was beginning to wear off, considering the price of a ticket to NY. I wouldn't be suprised to hear if it was haemmoraging(sp?) money at the end.
 

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Yeah, the drive to be faster, bigger, better, bolder seems to have given way to profit.
 

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Exactly. Loads of reasons, though. For one thing, they were getting a bit old, and the limited fleet size did mean maintainance was a problem. And the novelty was beginning to wear off, considering the price of a ticket to NY. I wouldn't be suprised to hear if it was haemmoraging(sp?) money at the end.

It probably was'nt looking healthy on the year end accounts.
 

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The AF crash was a hammer blow to the Concorde program but just when it was being relaunched 9/11 happened and that was the final nail in the coffin. BA tried to stretch it out another season but the US unofficial boycott of France (and hence Air France) due to their stance on the Iraq situation left AF with no option but to end their services, once that happened the cost of BA's fleet maintennance went up by enormously so they had to bring forward the end of service.

G-BOAB is indeed still parked up at the back of the maintennance hangars:

http://matthew-taylor.fotopic.net/p54465937.html




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IMO BAA and BA should allow Concorde back onto the middle runway at LHR/EGLL. Although if anyone wants to catch photos, its in a pretty good position.
 

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Wouldnt it be great if one could be brought into "preservation", just like the railways. Obviously the running costs would be astronomical, never mind the ability to get a certificate from the FAA but it would be good all the same.
 

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Is this accurate in depicting where G-BOAB was pictured a few posts up, or was it adjacent to East Church Road about midway along the bottom of the image (or even somewhere totally different!)?
 

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Lets just say it has been known to change. Another thing is G-YMMM the broken beast (BA 777-236ER). She is now a Christmas Tree aircraft :(.
 

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It is next to the East Perimeter Road opposite the car park. It is 2-3 years since it was parked by the runway.




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The day British Airways died IMHO...
Personally, I'd say that BA died in my eyes long before that. I've flown with BA numerous times, and on every occasion I've always had to put up with:
  • Late departures,
  • Lost baggage (Would ye believe my bag going from Hamburg to Heathrow via Bangkok?!?!? :shock: ),
  • Long waits on taxiways, and
  • Every time meals were served - No matter where in the aircraft I was seated - They'd only have the vegetarian option left by the time they came around to my seat! <(
On the other hand, I've flown a greater number of times with Ryanair and I havn't yet been able to fault them in any way:...
  • They're always punctual (Only two 30+ min delays over 50 or more flights! 8)),
  • Cheaper than any flag carrier,
  • The service is just as good IMO,
  • Ye only pay for what ye actually need on board,
  • And their pilots often plough the aircraft straight through patches of turbulance, too! :D8)<D
Yeah, the drive to be faster, bigger, better, bolder seems to have given way to profit.
IIRC - Though I've never bashed one, admittedly - Concorde was about the size of a Pacer and still took a whopping three hours to do LHR-JFK, didn't it? :?:

Personally if I was going for Bigger, better, and faster: I'd be toying around with cunning ideas, rather Gnomish Engineering practices, and trying to find ways of fitting a 12-litre Diesel engine and high-speed hydraulic drive system onto an A380! :shock::lol:<D

Wouldnt it be great if one could be brought into "preservation", just like the railways. Obviously the running costs would be astronomical, never mind the ability to get a certificate from the FAA but it would be good all the same.
I agree with regard to preserving Concorde...At least 4-8 should be kept airworthy and used for charters, official purposes, and the occasional "unexpected" vehicle substitution. 8)

Personally, I never got the chance to experience Concorde at all...But I live in hope that someday Ryanair might buy up a few for their proposed transatlantic routes and see if they can work their cost-cutting magick and somehow knock the operational costs right down! :shock::D8)
(It might mean that they'd only be run on half-power throughout the flight, but at least one would still be able to fly on Concorde...Even if the journey time was equal to that of a 747-400! :))

Incidentally...Wouldn't Concorde's CAA/FAA certification still be valid? Ye can still see the occasional Spitfire or Lancaster slicing through the skies nowadays on occasion, and they're a good 30-odd years older than Concorde! :shock::D<D
 

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Concorde was about the size of a Pacer and still took a whopping three hours to do LHR-JFK, didn't it?

I don't know, did it? Never had the chance to experience it myself, never will now. Not that I'll lose any sleep over it.
 

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Could I just make a correction?

The Concorde at Heathrow is G-BOAA.

'AB is the one parked up at Manchester....

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Going off topic now, but looking at airports I had a peek over Blackpool. Nice line-up :p
A very interesting choice of parking place, given that they've just been dumped on the second runway! Wouldn't that runway normally be used for private air traffic though? :shock::?

Anyhow...I would personally view those jets as being parked in a way that clearly obstructs a "public" right of way...So either way someone ought to call out a traffic warden! :lol::razz:<D
 

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Concorde was subsided by £2000 per seat all its life, I read once. Shame, only civil airliner I like, the only other decent planes are WW II bombers and fighters.
 

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Concorde was subsided by £2000 per seat all its life, I read once.
That does seem a little steep for a subsidy, in my view...IIRC; The average seat on a transatlantic Concorde flight towards the end of it's history was about £1500-£2000...And given that each Concorde had about 100 passenger seats - Even with the much higher operating costs associated with supersonic flight - That would mean that BA would've been taking about £112,500 gross fares per flight (Assuming a minimum loading of 75 pax/flight) and I can't see even Concorde costing that much to fly the short hop across the Atlantic! :shock:

If what Metroland said is correct though, then - Despite Concorde's current historical value - I would've said that the money would've been better given to BR to allow for the development of some stupendously fast XHSR system that could've included todays HS1 line to Paris, and a trans-Atlantic run via Rekjavik and Newfoundland to New York city and points across the US... <D
 
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