Compulsory Ticket Areas (CTA)

[transmanche]

A pedestrian crossing counts as a public right of way. Any inspector who tries to fine you should be reported.

Even if the inspector has just seen you alight from a tram?

 

[NoOnesFool]

Even if the inspector has just seen you alight from a tram?

Exactly, a CTA should mean that anyone in that zone without a ticket is PFd/prosecuted, although I know there are clauses in the rules, I think the loopholes should be closed.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Even if the inspector has just seen you alight from a tram?

Well they can stop you then but not if you're exclusively using the public right of way.

 

[transmanche]

Well they can stop you then but not if you're exclusively using the public right of way.

But in the OP's example of Tramlink, you could not be PF'd for 'exclusively using the public right of way' - you could only be PF'd in the CTA if you had alighted from a tram.

 

[kristiang85]

Many years ago, I Emailed NET, out of curiosity, and they told me that the CTA only applies to people "waiting on the platforms for the trams", make of that wording what you will..

What if you're waiting for someone to get off, especially if you need to be near to help with mobility?

I doubt it would be enforced, but then again you never know...

 

[Clip]

What if you're waiting for someone to get off, especially if you need to be near to help with mobility?

I doubt it would be enforced, but then again you never know...

Honestly its been answered 3 or possibly 4 times

They can only PF you if they see you getting off a tram.

If you are waiting for someone then you are fine as you are NOT getting off a tram

 

[Mojo]

Harringay Green Lanes as well I believe.

At Green Lanes station in Harringay the ticket machines are at street level and the Oyster readers on platform level however the red line (which denotes the start of the CTA) is painted on the platform floor and has a shallow "U" shape to ensure the Oyster readers are covered without customers having to enter this area. You can just about make this out here: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stati...otDetails.aspx?stdCode=SME_HRY&fullsize=26838

 

[Mojo]

Is there anywhere that you can find a comprehensive list of stations that fall under this category?

You can see it on the Penalty fares leaflet for the appropriate Toc which operates a Penalty fare scheme. For instance; this is the London Northwestern/West Midlands Railway leaflet. Whilst they have a number of barriered stations; the only two Compulsory ticket area stations are Moor Street and Snow Hill in Birmingham. Alternatively you could submit a FoI to the DfT/Transport Focus for a copy of the relevant Toc's Penalty fare scheme paperwork (you will find a few ones online already from a couple of years ago).

Very few parts of stations are actually covered by a Compulsory ticket area and many Tocs have none at all; they are only enforced by a Penalty fare so if a Toc does not have a Penalty fare scheme then it does not have any Compulsory ticket areas.

Note, that for services operated on behalf of TfL (this is DLR, Overground, TfL Rail and Underground), Penalty fares are issued under different legislation and Penalty fares leaflets and policies are not published. The overwhelming majority (possibly all, I have not checked?) of these stations have Compulsory ticket areas, and under the TfL Railway byelaws it is possible to be taken to court for entering the Compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket.