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Commercial Routes That Used To Be Tendered

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This might be a slightly hard to define thread with arguments about what a “route” is (given that a route today may be slightly different to a route ten/twenty/thirty years ago) but bear with me, let’s play nicely…

First used to run an orbital service around southern Edibburgh (Wester Hailes - Oxgangs - Infirmary) as a council contract every hour (numbered 18).

Flash forward to today and it’s a commercial route run by Lothian every half hour, it’s extended at both ends (Airport and Fort Kinnaird), it’s got modern branded buses to highlight the Airport aspect (“Skylink”), the eastern end has just been beefed up with a new 48 increasing the total number of buses from the Hospital to Fort Kinnaird, things are looking good. But which other routes have been transformed from the "life support" of needing subsidy to keep going to a healthy subsidy-free service?

Sometimes tendered routes become commercial because of competition (a few operators have played the “game” of cutting evening/Sunday journeys, finding that the council tender was awarded to a different operator, and then suddenly deciding that they *can* afford to run them commercially after all).

Stagecoach pulled that trick in Barnsley fairly recently but they aren’t the only ones – many operators have been happy to be awarded council funding to run routes but will quickly offer to run those journeys commercially rather than let a new company get a foothold onto their “patch”.

e.g. some journeys in West Lothian now no longer require council funding, as First and Lothian compete by running commercial journeys on services that were previously deemed “uneconomic”.

Sometimes, though, a route really does transform– maybe the council funding was only there in the early years in the hope that passenger numbers would build (e.g. a new housing estate) or maybe the “free” pensioner travel has increased demand over a scenic route?

But what else and where else? Whilst many services have been withdrawn over the past twenty years, and other services no longer commercially viable (and therefore requiring council subsidy), what tales are there of routes that have bounced back from requiring subsidy to being without council funding? And, in those examples, was this due to the service genuinely becoming busy enough, or was it just a bus operator trying to “game” the system by trying to get a subsidy but then preferring to run the journeys rather than let another firm get that subsidy?
 
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Quite a few in Oxfordshire spring to mind following the huge council cuts pretty much exactly 3 years ago.
15 (Abingdon to Witney) was tendered
19 (Witney to Carterton) was tendered
20 (Cowley to Rose Hill) was tendered afaik
38 (Wantage Town Service) was tendered
67 (Wantage to Faringdon) was tendered as the 67/67A/67B/67C
94 (Didcot to Blewbury) was tendered
250 (Oxford to Bicester) was tendered as the 25A
These are the only routes out of 118 that funding was cut for that survive today. A couple more used to operate but were withdrawn (Stagecoach 11, Thames Travel 41 which has returned with town council funding). There were some more subsidies for some diversions or extra journeys on otherwise commercial routes which survive today. I'm unsure how much of this was tendered services and how much were subsidies.
If most of these routes were withdrawn I doubt that anyone else would step in - the 38 has alternatives, as does the 20, so they leave very little unserved. The 250 seems to do fairly well and is transferring to Oxford Bus Company very soon. The 15, 19, 67 and 94 seem to be the most endangered - loads on the 15 are fairly worrying, and if I'm right there is S106 funding for the service. The 19 looks to do ok, as does the 67. I can't comment on the 94.
 

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My area Merseyside has a few, mostly evening & Sunday routes.
15 Liverpool-Huyton, when it used to be numbered 75, evening & Sunday service used to be tendered as 175, tendered routes in Merseyside were numbered 100 to 250 although there was exceptions
 

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I'd say it is more of a circle of life for the route...used to be the 32/52 back in the day before being split into the 18,21 & 32...if anything it just shows how the demand for orbital journeys across Edinburgh is much needed. As a user though its great to see it return and be a more accessible service.
 

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Nottingham has the 22 and 23 which used to be Locallink L22 and L23, CT4N 33 used to be 822
 

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The Abellio Surrey 446 between Woking and Staines was supported by Surrey County Council until Autumn 2017, from when the operator had its remaining tenders all awarded to other operators after handing back a number the previous December. Initially it was reported that Stagecoach had won the 446 tender, but then it was announced White Bus were to operate it commercially Mon-Sat with subsidy just for the Sunday service (and Sunday 456).

Initially utilising 9.7m Enviro 200s, the service appeared to exceed expectations with a pair of 10.8m Enviros soon acquired. Peak and college time capacity is now seeing even higher capacity Enviro 200MMCs expected soon, with the operator seeming to attract a lot of praise from passengers and the local bus users group. The brand new vehicles will offer nearly twice as many seats as some of the ex-London Mini Pointer Darts Abellio were using just two years ago, so they must be doing something right! Loadings certainly seem to warrant this as they seem higher to me from casual observation compared to what they used to. Frequency has remained hourly though.
 

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The Reading - Arborfield - Wokingham route was operated under contract to Wokingham Borough Council when operated by Thames Travel as route 144, but is now operated commercially by Reading Buses as route 3. A substantial amount of new housing is being built south of Reading and the route has now been joined by an offshoot 3b which operates to Bracknell.
 
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An interesting one from back in the early months of deregulation.

LRT deregistered the evening and Sunday journeys on the 23 (then Trinity to Morningside) with effect from deregulation day. These journeys then went out to tender, with Eastern Scottish the successful bidder, so you had the scenario where LRT ran the daytime service on the 23 commercially, and Eastern Scottish ran the subsidised evening and Sunday service.

Nearly a year later, in September 1987, LRT decided to run the evening and Sunday service on the 23 commercially. Eastern's contract was cancelled, but rather than withdraw its journeys Eastern decided that it would continue to run them commercially, with a daytime service added soon afterwards as it and LRT went head-to-head on that corridor.

The outcome of that bus war is well-known but, to this day, the entire service on the 23 continues to be provided commercially.
 

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TM Travel was contracted to run the 65. High Peak took it over commercially but then Stagecoach took it on after High Peak pulled out. I don't know if stagecoachs service is funded
 

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Some journeys on the EYMS services 45 (York to Bridlington) and 246 (Hull to Hornsea) used to be subsidised until a couple of years ago when East Riding Council had to cut subsidies to bus routes.
 

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There are plenty of instances of routes/journeys being made commercial, either to protect market share or to maintain a wider network.

One of the largest conversions has been First Bristol. In order to dislodge Wessex, First registered a number of tendered services that Wessex operated in 2014/5. Of these, some have stayed and prospered but others have since been deregistered and either retendered or disappeared completely
 

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Some evening/Sunday journeys and Mon to Sat daytime services within Cheshire East were contracted, now commercial or part commercial
 
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