Combining Oyster Travelcard & The Key

[Tom]

Let us not forget that in due course, ITSO will replace Oyster (this is, I think, already happening with ITSO on Prestige).

No, it will not. Oyster is run by TfL, ITSO is driven by the DfT but each TOC maintains its own scheme which is owned by the 'franchise'. As a franchise changes, the scheme will carry over with it.

The only way ITSO will replace Oyster is if TfL themselves start an ITSO scheme to replace Oyster. It is clear to me, from my time working at ITSO, that the chances of this occurring are not exactly high. Oyster's main market is low market "pay as you go" transactions which can easily be transplanted straight onto EMV wave and pay.

This should ultimately mean that the same ITSO card can hold both products.

They will hold both hold representations of the same products, but not the same. In any case, 19(c) continues to apply which appears to be the main cause of debate in this thread. The demand of touching in and out is pretty moot while the infrastructure in place can't even manage break of journey in 99% of cases - something that clearly the railway needs. To my knowledge, the infrastructure to validate a journey (i.e. touch in) can be done by a guard if it is implemented on their handheld reader.

Nevertheless, if you hold a valid ticket for your journey, whether electronic or on a piece of cardboard, it should be considered as valid.

Recall that Oyster and ITSO are just mediums, the same as a piece of card

Quite.

 

[RichardN]

Doesn't a season on the key from a to b only allow exit at a or b and not intermediate stations? Smart card is a bit of misnomer as far as the key is concerned. Should have at least a 10% discount on seasons to make up for the lack of flexibility.

Edit. Just checked the faq and they fixed this flaw.

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[thedbdiboy]

I think this thread is a good demonstration of how passenger rights can be undermined gradually. The Key, for a start, is removing the possibility of a Condition 19(c) split in its current form by requiring the passenger to touch in/out at the split point.

It depends on your definition of 'rights'. The right to split your ticket is not like the right to 'life' or to a 'fair trial'. It is an opportunity created by the 1996 revision to the BRB Conditions of Carriage - many other transport operators have no such provision, and it certainly isn't some inalienable right from the dawn of railways.