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STEVIEBOY1

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If one accidentally spills a large cup of black coffee all over another passenger, as well as offering to pay for his cleaning bill or set of new clothes, should one also offer to pay for damaged/spoiled items of shopping/luggage too? :oops:
 
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Hmm, not sure!
I suspect you have just done this, given the specific details given of the cup of coffee!

I recently(ish) spilt a cup of tea over someone on a flight. I got the tea from the galley and there was a sudden bit of turbulence as I got to the first row of seats. I did offer to pay the cleaning bill and replace the book the passenger was reading but she refused to take money for either!
 

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If one accidentally spills a large cup of black coffee all over another passenger, as well as offering to pay for his cleaning bill or set of new clothes, should one also offer to pay for damaged/spoiled items of shopping/luggage too? :oops:

I doubt it has a lot to do with the railway, it's a general public liability issue. Sometimes you'll find your home insurance provides cover for this kind of situation, FWIW.

If you, through your negligence[1], damage another person's personal property in any setting whether on the railway or not, you are liable, if they choose to pursue the matter (or you choose to offer), for the full cost of that damage. Yes, that would include damage to all their property if any, and indeed damage to the train.

[1] If you are on a plane and sudden turbulence causes you to fall over, that might not be seen as negligence. However, knocking a cup of coffee onto someone almost certainly is.

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My wife still has a scar from a cup of tea deposited over her sometime in the 1970s on a crowded Friday night intercity train- she was standing and a man who'd been to the buffet had neglected to put a top onto the paper cup. He apologised and that was the end of it. If it happened now, there would probably be a lawyer passenger rushing to offer his/her services!
 

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There are very few clothes, except perhaps for exceptionally delicate fabrics, where a cup of coffee will not simply wash out. I think most people would just accept it as unfortunate and part of being on a moving train if a cup of coffee ended up on them. Certainly nothing more than an apology should usually be needed.
 

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It was over several items of pale coloured/cream-white sports wear being taken for an event later in the spring, including some pure wool cricket sweaters.
 

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STEVIEBOY1:2070879 said:
It was over several items of pale coloured/cream-white sports wear being taken for an event later in the spring, including some pure wool cricket sweaters.
Ouch. Sounds expensive!
 

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It was over several items of pale coloured/cream-white sports wear being taken for an event later in the spring, including some pure wool cricket sweaters.

That sounds a bit more expensive. Are you insured for it?

I did the same thing yesterday on a train, thankfully I chucked it over myself and jeans wash :lol:
 

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No, not insured for that type of thing.

Maybe an expensive lesson, then (the UK is odd in that sense - in Germany and many other European countries it is usual - considered essential by many - to have a personal liability insurance policy). Is the person whose clothes got coffee lobbed on them pursuing you for the money?

Check your home contents cover, though, it is very often included quietly as an extra with that. Such extensions often provide third-party cover to cyclists as well, though claims are very rare largely because people usually don't know about it.

Neil
 

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If it was that important to keep them clean they should have had them in a case or protective covering, perhaps in a overhead rack. Sounds like contributory negligence to me. I'd just apologise and tell them to whistle for any compo.
 

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Maybe an expensive lesson, then (the UK is odd in that sense - in Germany and many other European countries it is usual - considered essential by many - to have a personal liability insurance policy). Is the person whose clothes got coffee lobbed on them pursuing you for the money?

Check your home contents cover, though, it is very often included quietly as an extra with that. Such extensions often provide third-party cover to cyclists as well, though claims are very rare largely because people usually don't know about it.

Neil


Yes, an expensive lesson indeed.
 

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Morally, you should pay.

Legally, not sure where you (or they) stand.

There is a common law tort of 'you caused the problem, you pay to sort it out'.

Alternatively, accidents do happen. Given the quality / importance of the garments, should they have insured them for accidental damage? If the use of the clothes is sometime later in the spring, cannot they be cleaned prior to that? Were you negligent, dancing around the carriage with an open vessel, or carefully nursing the cup on the table when the train jolted over some poorly maintained pointwork - see it's the railways fault! Was the luggage stowed safely in an overhead rack, or illegally placed on the floor / adjoining seat?

Personally, if I was on the first day of a holiday, and my clean clothes are now coffee coloured and smelling, and will remain that way all week, I would not be at all happy - as I do not carry excessive amounts of spare clothing 'just in case'. But if I was on my way home, perhaps I'm not as bothered, as I'll be washing everything else soon anyway.

I once sat in a seat on a train where someone had wet themselves, or rather the seat, :( - now that's something you don't want to be walking around looking like and smelling of through no fault of your own. Fortunately it was on the way back from a holiday and quite close to my destination. embarrassing all the same. You can feel peoples eyes following you and commenting.
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It was over several items of pale coloured/cream-white sports wear being taken for an event later in the spring, including some pure wool cricket sweaters.

Cricketers clothes get filthy over the course of a game - think where the bowler polishes the ball on his trousers, or the fielder does a diving catch. Surely those clothes get washed and re-worn rather than new every match?
 
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Morally, you should pay.

Legally, not sure where you (or they) stand.

There is a common law tort of 'you caused the problem, you pay to sort it out'.

Yes I did pay for the damage. :oops: Thank you for the input & advice here however.
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Interesting reading in hindsight about this sort of thing, that it may be covered by insurance.
 
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