Coast & Peaks Rover

[Iskra]

Hi, just a couple of questions about the validity of this ticket.

- The map shows the ticket valid at ‘Wrexham,’ is it valid to Wrexham General?

- The ticket is valid at Matlock and Sheffield. But is it valid on the MML between those (via Derby)?

 

[JonathanH]

- The map shows the ticket valid at ‘Wrexham,’ is it valid to Wrexham General?

I think you mean Wrexham Central. I can't see why it wouldn't be accepted. Wrexham is not an extremity of the validity.

The ticket is valid at Matlock and Sheffield. But is it valid on the MML between those (via Derby)?

No

 

[Iskra]

I think you mean Wrexham Central. I can't see why it wouldn't be accepted. Wrexham is not an extremity of the validity.


No

Thanks

 

[mangyiscute]

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - Coast & Peaks Rover

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

www.railrover.org

This website is a superb one to find out information about rovers

 

[Iskra]

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - Coast & Peaks Rover

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

www.railrover.org

This website is a superb one to find out information about rovers

Thank you!

 

[12LDA28C]

Back in the day a Coast & Peaks seemed to be valid pretty much everywhere as I recall. Same as a Heart of England. Penzance, Inverness, you name it.

 

[NorthWestRover]

- The ticket is valid at Matlock and Sheffield. But is it valid on the MML between those (via Derby)?

I got a pretty cheap advance from Sheffield to Derby to cover the "gap".

 

[Iskra]

I got a pretty cheap advance from Sheffield to Derby to cover the "gap".

That’s a good idea

 

[D6975]

Back in the day a Coast & Peaks seemed to be valid pretty much everywhere as I recall. Same as a Heart of England. Penzance, Inverness, you name it.

Just like the Central Scotland rover until it was renamed.
It used to be called just the 'Central Rover'

 

[AY1975]

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - Coast & Peaks Rover

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

www.railrover.org

This website is a superb one to find out information about rovers

Agreed, although I find that most but not all of the information on there is up to date. In most cases the prices given are as at March 2023 (or May in some cases), but some of them say as at Jan 2023 and may not have been updated to take account of the March fares revision.

It's also worth checking the National Rail site (info about rover and ranger tickets can be hard to find on there, though), the relevant train operator's site (though again info about rovers and rangers is better on some train operators' websites than on others) and brfares.com (again most but not all info on there is up to date, although it says it has been updated as of today).

 

[Alex365Dash]

brfares.com (again most but not all info on there is up to date, although it says it has been updated as of today).

Considering BRFares' data is taken directly from the fares data, I'd be surprised if it's not up to date!

Although of course with BRFares, some amount of prior knowledge is needed in order to use the site effectively i.e. for DaySave tickets, you need to search for a return from a Southern-served station to Any Southern Train (NLC I444, CRS QAS), which shows the correct price of £23.50 rather than a DaySave 1 (Rover Group Any Southern Train, NLC I444) in the Rovers and Rangers section which shows the old price of £19.

Spoiler: Codes

NLC - National Location Code, a 4-digit code used to reference locations for accounting purposes.
CRS - Customer Reservation System, these codes were originally used to handle passenger reservations and reference stations plus some other locations.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Back in the day a Coast & Peaks seemed to be valid pretty much everywhere as I recall. Same as a Heart of England. Penzance, Inverness, you name it.

Ok then I will! Someone once tried to get from Southport to Manchester with a Heart of England Rover. Nearest point of validity is Crewe, heading south(ish). By the time we reached Wigan they had achieved the 3 fails and were duly met by the BTP. Their pleas of ignorance were utterly unconvincing.

As for the Coast and Peaks one slight improvement over the years is to officially confirm its validity via Westhoughton; for a long time the official maps suggested the only valid route between Salford and Wigan was via Atherton, not very helpful when returning from the High Peak, especially in the days before the Atherton line regained a Sunday service!

 

[Rover]

Agreed, although I find that most but not all of the information on there is up to date. In most cases the prices given are as at March 2023 (or May in some cases), but some of them say as at Jan 2023 and may not have been updated to take account of the March fares revision.

The March, April and May fares increases have all been updated, but you're right about "as at Jan 2023", that is not implied. The next round of updates are in June which include The East Midlands Rover and Ranger and the Scottish rovers to name a few.

 

[12LDA28C]

Ok then I will! Someone once tried to get from Southport to Manchester with a Heart of England Rover. Nearest point of validity is Crewe, heading south(ish). By the time we reached Wigan they had achieved the 3 fails and were duly met by the BTP. Their pleas of ignorance were utterly unconvincing.

They sound rather unlucky! Must have encountered a keen guard or TTI. How did they achieve '3 fails' exactly? You'd be rather unlikely to have your 'piece' checked 3 times in that short distance. Surely if they had offered to pay they could have avoided the encounter with the BTP, unless they were carrying no cash which is not recommended if you're not valid.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

They sound rather unlucky! Must have encountered a keen guard or TTI. How did they achieve '3 fails' exactly? You'd be rather unlikely to have your 'piece' checked 3 times in that short distance. Surely if they had offered to pay they could have avoided the encounter with the BTP, unless they were carrying no cash which is not recommended if you're not valid.

The 3 fails:
1. Failure to produce a valid ticket when asked to do so by an authorised person
2. Failure to purchase a ticket valid for the journey being undertaken when offered the opportunity to do so
3. Failure to provide appropriate personal details (for reporting purposes)
When I was trained I was told never to bother BTP with an alleged fare evader without first satisfying those three conditions.

Yes, purchasing a suitable ticket would certainly have avoided any BTP involvement but they simply refused to accept they'd been rumbled. I suspect the passenger simply didn't think the actual validity of the rover would be known by any frontline staff. The line "Heart of England must be valid anywhere in England" was priceless! As for the guard involved I believe they were an enthusiast so possibly had better knowledge of rover tickets than many of their colleagues. My own training was not to argue about validities I wasn't sure about.

 

[12LDA28C]

The 3 fails:
1. Failure to produce a valid ticket when asked to do so by an authorised person
2. Failure to purchase a ticket valid for the journey being undertaken when offered the opportunity to do so
3. Failure to provide appropriate personal details (for reporting purposes)
When I was trained I was told never to bother BTP with an alleged fare evader without first satisfying those three conditions.

Yes, purchasing a suitable ticket would certainly have avoided any BTP involvement but they simply refused to accept they'd been rumbled. I suspect the passenger simply didn't think the actual validity of the rover would be known by any frontline staff. The line "Heart of England must be valid anywhere in England" was priceless! As for the guard involved I believe they were an enthusiast so possibly had better knowledge of rover tickets than many of their colleagues. My own training was not to argue about validities I wasn't sure about.

Outrageous. I may have travelled beyond the validity of my Rover ticket on a very rare occasion (!) but I wasn't stupid enough to refuse to pay when offered the opportunity to do so. That's just asking for trouble.

 

[mangyiscute]

Outrageous. I may have travelled beyond the validity of my Rover ticket on a very rare occasion (!) but I wasn't stupid enough to refuse to pay when offered the opportunity to do so. That's just asking for trouble.

I mean theres some where i wouldnt blame someone for getting confused, for example the Cheshire rover is valid from Warrington to Earlestown, and the Lancashire rover is valid from Wigan to Earlestown, so if you buy both it would seem you can travel from Warrington to Wigan (and hence have WCML coverage from Crewe to Lancaster) but I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case, since you can't split at Earlestown (using the rule that rovers can split at non calling stations) since it is not on the WCML.

 

[12LDA28C]

I mean theres some where i wouldnt blame someone for getting confused, for example the Cheshire rover is valid from Warrington to Earlestown, and the Lancashire rover is valid from Wigan to Earlestown, so if you buy both it would seem you can travel from Warrington to Wigan (and hence have WCML coverage from Crewe to Lancaster) but I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case, since you can't split at Earlestown (using the rule that rovers can split at non calling stations) since it is not on the WCML.

That's fine, but confused or not it would be foolish to refuse to pay a ticket inspector when told your ticket isn't valid and you need to purchase one.

 

[mangyiscute]

That's fine, but confused or not it would be foolish to refuse to pay a ticket inspector when told your ticket isn't valid and you need to purchase one.

yeah for sure