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47286Dan

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Thursday morning update

93001 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93002 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93003 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93004 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93005 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93006 GROG GRESTYBGE 420M581A09 F DERBY RTC N
93007 GROG GRESTYBGE 420M581A09 F DERBY RTC N
93008 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93009 GROG CSLE KMMD CSLE KMMD F N
93010 GROG CSLE KMMD CSLE KMMD F N

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Watch 4M27 and 4S45 next week - DRS on Tesco with 93s ;)

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93009 is currently allocated to 0Z94 Millerhill Yard - Kingmoor and 93010 is allocated to 0Q96 Crewe - Kingmoor
Month long trial isn't it?
Does anyone know what they're testing for? Surely DRS aren't thinking of leasing the locos unless they see them as a way of going all electric on their WCML flows?
 

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Maybe they see the extra power off the wires as more useful for some of their work than what the 88's have or have some new work coming up that has more that is off the wires.
 

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Does anyone know what they're testing for? Surely DRS aren't thinking of leasing the locos unless they see them as a way of going all electric on their WCML flows?

Maybe they see the extra power off the wires as more useful for some of their work than what the 88's have or have some new work coming up that has more that is off the off the wires

The lease agreement with the 88s is up in 2027 so maybe the driver training on the 93s could be related to that

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I was just at Clapham Junction 12:00 today (09/07/2026).

Loco 93001 is at the end nearest the footbridge and I can confirm the pantograph does not look right. The ends (to each side of the loco) that normally slope downwards don't. They appear to curve backwards (or forwards) so the pantograph head looked flat as viewed from the front of the loco. No sign of any vegetation but that pantograph could quite likely bring the knitting down if it was raised.

It has been a week and still not sorted. I was hoping 93s might be common on these drags but I suspect the trusty old 37s will be doing it for the forseable future. The 93 might be safe to run sooner BUT I suspect the operators of it will then want assurances that any substandard lineside vegetation problems elsewhere on the route have been sorted. It has got to NOT touch the train, not merely be small enough branches to get brushed aside.

To add. I have noticed in my road in this heat tree branches are hanging lower and lower. I am collecting sap and insects in my hair as I need a taller loading guage (6ft 2").

Is it only in the UK that electric locos have such a disadvantage ?.
 

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Does anyone know what they're testing for? Surely DRS aren't thinking of leasing the locos unless they see them as a way of going all electric on their WCML flows?

They are ...and don't call me Shirley! :lol:
I have been thinking that (given the original purpose of DRS and its ownership) they are probably under pressure to use as much electricity as possible...
I'm not complaining, mind.
 

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Friday morning update

93001 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93002 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93003 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93004 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93005 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93006 GROG CARLISLE 095S071A10 V * HAMLSTL N
93007 GROG CARLISLE 095S071A10 V * HAMLSTL N
93008 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93009 GROG CSLEKMDRS 090Q932D10 F GRESTYBGE N
93010 GROG CSLEKMDRS 090Q932D10 F GRESTYBGE N

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There isn't much of a view of 005. A lot of the Clapham Junction bridge is blocked off for refurbishment.
Currently can identify 93001 as that is end on nearest the foot bridge. I could see 93005 farthest from the foot bridge but not able to actually read its number. The two locos with a 701/5 between then are parked right alongside the shed that is near platform 7 BUT they are on the opposite side from the platform !. You might get an angle off the foot bridge for 93005 at the platform 1 end if the yard is relatively empty - so midday.

93005 may be identifiable from Plough Road that runs across the West-sh and of the yard. I did try that about forty years ago and it was not worth the effort BUT for a loco I need I would review it. Perhaps ideal is what looks like an access road into the yard off Plough Road and 93005 would be visible to the right as you face the gates.
 

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GoExpress have a press release , mentioning DPD (could be a potential partner) for the successful high speed freight trial using the Class 93

https://www.goexpress.co.uk/insights/Press-release-July-2026

First few sentences from the longer press release

GoExpress has today published the headline results of its high speed, low carbon logistics proof of concept operation - the UKs first high-speed middle mile operation at a sustained maximum speed of 90mph (145km/h).

Across four weeks on the West Coast Main Line, the trial was able to demonstrate the feasibility of introducing new high speed intermodal rail services for the express logistics sector on key linehaul routes across the country.

The project was supported by an industry wide workstream. Operated using state of the art, energy efficient tri-mode locomotives hauling 40ft high cube containers, GoExpress successfully ran 54 special test trains on dedicated high-speed paths provided by Network Rail.

Funded by the Department for Transport’s Freight Innovation Fund, GoExpress is supported by Connected Places Catapult, Network Rail, the Rail Safety and Standards Board, industry experts, academia, and Courier and Express Parcel sector operator DPD
 

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GoExpress have a press release , mentioning DPD (could be a potential partner) for the successful high speed freight trial using the Class 93

https://www.goexpress.co.uk/insights/Press-release-July-2026

First few sentences from the longer press release
I would like to know what routes these tests were done on as I have lost track.

I presume, to go ahead, it might need more infrastructure setting up unless the containers are going to go from existing logistics centres to existing container loading points on railways. This implies more steps in the journey unless some thing like the short lived rail served Royal Mail depots is set up - those sites might still be available ?.
 

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Mossend - East Midlands Gateway, from memory.
Were these test trains actually loaded/weighted? It's all good saying they achieved an average of X Y or Z speed... but without knowing the consist weight, we don't know if the speed they mention is any good.


Edit: I am aware the wagons had containers on them, but were they fully laden
 

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Were these test trains actually loaded/weighted? It's all good saying they achieved an average of X Y or Z speed... but without knowing the consist weight, we don't know if the speed they mention is any good.


Edit: I am aware the wagons had containers on them, but were they fully laden
To be honest, I am not sure weight would have made difference, if it was "their own" rake of wagons with the blue box on each end. Was it less than twenty wagons, which IMHO is a baby train for a 93 under the wires.
 

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93009 on the way to Daventry for this afternoons 4Q45 1627 Daventry Int Rft Recep Fl to Coatbridge (Drs)...
 

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I would like to know what routes these tests were done on as I have lost track.

I presume, to go ahead, it might need more infrastructure setting up unless the containers are going to go from existing logistics centres to existing container loading points on railways. This implies more steps in the journey unless some thing like the short lived rail served Royal Mail depots is set up - those sites might still be available ?.
Were these test trains actually loaded/weighted? It's all good saying they achieved an average of X Y or Z speed... but without knowing the consist weight, we don't know if the speed they mention is any good.


Edit: I am aware the wagons had containers on them, but were they fully laden
To be honest, I am not sure weight would have made difference, if it was "their own" rake of wagons with the blue box on each end. Was it less than twenty wagons, which IMHO is a baby train for a 93 under the wires.
None of the trains were that heavily laden - the purpose of the tests was to examine aerodynamic loadings on structures & people on platforms and to collect data on train aerodynamic resistances at high speed. Hence they don't mention loadings.
 

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Monday morning update

93001 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93002 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93003 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93004 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93005 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93006 GROG CREWE SYD CREWE SYD C N
93007 GROG CREWE SYD CREWE SYD C N
93008 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93009 GROG COATBDGGB 074Q271513 8 * DAVTRYINT N
93010 GROG GRESTYBGE GRESTYBGE F N

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I was pleasantly surprised to see 93003 heading south on a well-loaded 4Q27 (usually 4M27 Coatbridge to Daventry DRS) via the Railcam Beattock camera about 06.50 this morning!
 

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And has worked back north this evening on 4Q45 18:38 Daventry to Coatbridge
 

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Friday morning update

93001 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93002 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93003 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93004 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93005 GROG CLAPHMJYD CLAPHMJYD D N
93006 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93007 GROG GRESTYBGE GRESTYBGE F N
93008 GROG CREWE SYD GRESTYBGE N
93009 GROG COATBDGGB 074Q271517 8 * DAVTRYINT N
93010 GROG GRESTYBGE GRESTYBGE F N

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Might sound a daft question, but I saw this leave DIRFT under diesel power yesterday evening. On Monday evening, I was at Easenhall, and it was operating under electric power, panto up. Whereabouts does it change over?
 

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Assuming the train isn't allowed to pan up on the move, the next stop after DIRFT is booked to be at Brinklow (slightly north of Easenhall, if I've got the right village on google maps), where the Trent valley reduces to 1 down track to Nuneaton. Is it possible Monday's train left DIRFT on electric?
 

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Were these test trains actually loaded/weighted? It's all good saying they achieved an average of X Y or Z speed... but without knowing the consist weight, we don't know if the speed they mention is any good.

Edit: I am aware the wagons had containers on them, but were they fully laden

Extract from a post I made on 15th June in this thread:

3Q05, 22:54 EMG to Mossend, hauled by 93004 was 622 tons trailing including the DIT 93008 on the back (16 FFAs, each with a 15 ton container)

As far as I know, the tests were all done with the same set of wagons and containers which were initially loaded at Garston (although the number of wagons used on each test could vary). The TOPS consist mentioned above indicated that all containers weighed 15 tons (which is a moderate load when compared to an empty weight of around 4 tons, and a max gross laden weight of around 32 tons, for a typical 40ft container).

I assume the containers carried test weights intended to simulate the proposed traffic - when I looked at the GoExpress website at the time, it seemed clear they were aiming at the "express logistics" sector for the movement of parcels or possibly retail logistics and things like that. The timings I looked at for one of the Mossend - EMG runs required sustained periods of 80mph running on the WCML.

A comparison would be the overnight express parcels train which ran for Securicor / DHL in the early 2000s from Walsall Tasker Street to Mossend (parcels platform) and continuing to Aberdeen. As far as I know, this service was reasonably successful while it operated; I heard the main reason for its demise was because of company changes at the customer (a takeover or something like that) which brought in new owners / managers who were focused on road logistics and less enthusiastic about rail. These trains used class 67s and mail vans but were essentially similar in concept to the ill-fated Varamis venture - overnight movement of express parcels.

In this photo, 67002 works 1S03 00:47 Walsall - Aberdeen, seen in the morning of 20/06/05 at Newtonhill:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wulfruna_kid/50062701111/ (Photo: John Whitehouse)

Compared with regular container trains, the lower weight of this sort of traffic gives the potential for higher speeds (similar to how mail trains are traditionally faster than regular freight). I think if they wanted to run fully laden container trains at 90mph it would be more of a problem - I wouldn't be surprised if the permission to run at 90mph is limited to a maximum route availability / axle weight below the usual limit, to avoid excessive track wear.

It will be interesting to see how this idea of containerised express freight works out and whether they can get contracts for sufficient traffic to make trainload movements worthwhile and give the 93s some more work.
 

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