Class 710 LO

[Peter Sarf]

yes.

medium term they will be introduced but not quite yet. ad hoc yes if short

I presume it is the 5car 710/3s we can expect on the North London Line but not the 4car 710/2s ?.

 

[Sunil_P]

Can't remember which day, but last week I saw a 2x 4-car unit formation of 710s at Stratford platform 10A, with the dot matrix signs saying "Not in service".

 

[JonathanH]

Can't remember which day, but last week I saw a 2x 4-car unit formation of 710s at Stratford platform 10A, with the dot matrix signs saying "Not in service".

That will have been an empty stock move to Ilford, which as you might imagine, isn't that uncommon.

 

[Sunil_P]

That will have been an empty stock move to Ilford, which as you might imagine, isn't that uncommon.

Yes, of course. Just that it was stationary at the platform for a while.

 

[Electrojuniper]

I presume it is the 5car 710/3s we can expect on the North London Line but not the 4car 710/2s ?.

yes correct - all 5-car units.

710375 continues fault free running........ getting closer

 

[Peter Sarf]

yes correct - all 5-car units.

710375 continues fault free running........ getting closer

Then its 710374 I assume next for failt free running, once Ilford has finished finishing it ?.

Then its 710270 to Ilford to be finished etc ?.

And once those last two have carried passengers closer can get no closer !.

I will guess 5 months.

 

[HXX]

One or more units out on the NLL again today

 

[Wolfie]

One or more units out on the NLL again today

I was on one today, missed the number though.

 

[markglos]

I was on one today, missed the number though.

710379 was on NLL today

 

[Wolfie]

710379 was on NLL today

TY

 

[Terry Williams]

From another forum.
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 01:42:50 BST
37510, 710374 & 37611 dead on rear pass Berkhamsted @ 0138 with 8Q57 Ilford - Derby unit drag.
No skates from opposite side

 

[Jonny]

Is there a reason why the trains for the all-overhead GOBLIN are 710/2 with the 3rd rail compatibility rather than the same-length AC-only 710/1?

 

[greatkingrat]

Is there a reason why the trains for the all-overhead GOBLIN are 710/2 with the 3rd rail compatibility rather than the same-length AC-only 710/1?

Because they are shared with the Watford DC route.

 

[59CosG95]

Because they are shared with the Watford DC route.

Precisely - it's a diagramming thing.

 

[ijmad]

All the 710/2's are stabled at Willesden TMD right? Which is third rail power.

 

[greatkingrat]

All the 710/2's are stabled at Willesden TMD right? Which is third rail power.

The TMD itself is AC electrified, apart from the arrival road from the DC. While it is possible to get from Gospel Oak to the TMD using AC only, some trains will come back via the DC.

 

[Peter Sarf]

From another forum.
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 01:42:50 BST
37510, 710374 & 37611 dead on rear pass Berkhamsted @ 0138 with 8Q57 Ilford - Derby unit drag.
No skates from opposite side

I am surprised. I was expecting Ilford to be commissioning/finishing 710374 as has been done with all the later 710/3s (& later 710/2s iirc). Each one was taking around three months as it is a lot more than just commissioning. I was hoping 710270 was going to be next to come to Ilford from Derby once 710374 had followed its class mates to Willesden.

Either 710374 has been given up on, done but not yet needed (so heading for storage) OR it was merely at Ilford to act as a Christmas tree. I think it was moved at 30mph max which suggests to me that it is less roadworthy than other Aventras leaving Derby. So to me that means it is still very unfit for use either because Ilford gave up on it or because it was only at Ilford as a spares donor.

What does this mean for 710270 I wonder ?. It is at Derby and was moved from Worksop (store) in the same week as 710374 iirc. I am trying to find hope that it will be delivered to Ilford soon - that way I can see the last of the 710s !. Perhaps it has queue jumped 710374 ?. Twist is that 710270 spent a considerable time in London already and only went North this year (iirc). I don't think it was necessarily ever in service ?. I am trying to recall if 710270 got to Willesden or only got as far as Ilford.

 

[theblackwatch]

I am trying to recall if 710270 got to Willesden or only got as far as Ilford.

It moved Derby to Ilford on 06/09/22 and then Ilford to Derby 22/12/22.

 

[Peter Sarf]

It moved Derby to Ilford on 06/09/22 and then Ilford to Derby 22/12/22.

Ah, thanks. So only spent three months in London, and that recent. No wonder I did not see it - I thought I had been lazy !. Not long before I started realising the pattern (3 months at Ilford for each one). Maybe its a dudd !. Quite likely never got near Willesden, let alone service, then ?.

 

[Terry Williams]

I am surprised. I was expecting Ilford to be commissioning/finishing 710374 as has been done with all the later 710/3s (& later 710/2s iirc). Each one was taking around three months as it is a lot more than just commissioning. I was hoping 710270 was going to be next to come to Ilford from Derby once 710374 had followed its class mates to Willesden.

Either 710374 has been given up on, done but not yet needed (so heading for storage) OR it was merely at Ilford to act as a Christmas tree. I think it was moved at 30mph max which suggests to me that it is less roadworthy than other Aventras leaving Derby. So to me that means it is still very unfit for use either because Ilford gave up on it or because it was only at Ilford as a spares donor.

What does this mean for 710270 I wonder ?. It is at Derby and was moved from Worksop (store) in the same week as 710374 iirc. I am trying to find hope that it will be delivered to Ilford soon - that way I can see the last of the 710s !. Perhaps it has queue jumped 710374 ?. Twist is that 710270 spent a considerable time in London already and only went North this year (iirc). I don't think it was necessarily ever in service ?. I am trying to recall if 710270 got to Willesden or only got as far as Ilford.

What I find a tad difficult to understand is 710374 was conveyed to Ilford as a class 5 but went north as a class 8 max speed 30mph!!! Whatever did Ilford do to it?

 

[Peter Sarf]

What I find a tad difficult to understand is 710374 was conveyed to Ilford as a class 5 but went north as a class 8 max speed 30mph!!! Whatever did Ilford do to it?

Conjecture alert - maybe they have removed some parts making it worse OR Ilford found something wrong !.

I am hoping its parts robbed to complete 710270 !.

 

[Terry Williams]

Me tooo!

 

[Peter Sarf]

Gone quiet.

Has anyone got any info on 710270. When is it likely to appear in London ?.

 

[Jonny]

What I find a tad difficult to understand is 710374 was conveyed to Ilford as a class 5 but went north as a class 8 max speed 30mph!!! Whatever did Ilford do to it?

If it was at Ilford and, talking hypothetically it was OK, would that not be a better location from which to reach the Goblin line (via Channelsea Junction, then Temple Mills) than Willesden TMD (requires at least one reverse even for the NLL unless you go right through to Channelsea).

 

[Peter Sarf]

710374 was dragged out yesterday (Friday 01/09/2023). Derby LL to Derby LL via Sheffield.
This is the RTT entry - a whole 35mph max speed.
Apparently 37608 + 710374 + 37611
I assume it was a turning manoeuvre ?.

What next ?, a trip South ?.

Be nice to get 710270 first as that is the only other 710 not in London and I need it !.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

710374 was dragged out yesterday (Friday 01/09/2023). Derby LL to Derby LL via Sheffield.
This is the RTT entry - a whole 35mph max speed.
Apparently 37608 + 710374 + 37611
I assume it was a turning manoeuvre ?.

What next ?, a trip South ?.

Be nice to get 710270 first as that is the only other 710 not in London and I need it !.

Why are they still dragging 710s around? I thought they'd all be in service by now?

 

[87015]

Why are they still dragging 710s around? I thought they'd all be in service by now?

They need DfT sign off on services and stabling expenditure since they refused TFL all funding, so no chance!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

They need DfT sign off on services and stabling expenditure since they refused TFL all funding, so no chance!

Oh right. How many more are needed to be signed off?

 

[Peter Sarf]

Oh right. How many more are needed to be signed off?

On the face of it, 710270 and 710374 are the last two.

Potted history. Basically, the use for the 5-car 710374-379 has not materialised as quickly as anticipated. Those 5car 710s were to replace some 378s on the North London Line (NLL) so those 378s could go to strengthen services on the East London Line (ELL) I think mainly Crystal Palace branch.

Mind you, London Overground seem to have managed to absorb four of the six. They may be gradually taking these last two (one errant 4-car) as at least the last half dozen or so 710s have arrived at about 3-month intervals, first to Ilford for about three months worth of "finishing" then to Willesden.

But both 710270 and 710374 have been sent back to Derby, rather than staying at Willesden.

 

[JonathanH]

On the face of it 710270 and 710374 are the last two.

What is the status of 710375 now? I don't think I've seen a report of it carrying passengers. Is it parked in the sidings on the DC side of Willesden TMD?