Class 710 LO

[Roger B]

Noted elsewhere that 701375 has been out on test on the WCML again today

Thanks Terry.
Know what you mean - but you might like to correct the typo - 710375 vice 701375.

 

[Terry Williams]

Thanks Terry.
Know what you mean - but you might like to correct the typo - 710375 vice 701375.

Thanks for spotting that. Fat finger syndrome/Senior moment.

 

[3973EXL]

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Realtime Trains | 5Q73 0711 Derby Litchurch Lane to Ilford E.M.U.D. | 05/06/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5M57 1542 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) | 05/06/2023

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[Peter Sarf]

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Realtime Trains | 5Q73 0711 Derby Litchurch Lane to Ilford E.M.U.D. | 05/06/2023

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Thanks @3973EXL, fingers crossed.

 

[1D54]

No trains tomorrow so I'm going to get the Skylink bus over to Derby and have a walk down Litchurch Lane and City Gate to see what if anything is in view so hopefully not a wasted Saturday after all.

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An unidentified 710 can be seen from just off the London Road, wonder if this is 375!

 

[Terry Williams]

No trains tomorrow so I'm going to get the Skylink bus over to Derby and have a walk down Litchurch Lane and City Gate to see what if anything is in view so hopefully not a wasted Saturday after all.

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An unidentified 710 can be seen from just off the London Road, wonder if this is 375!

From recent posts above it's more than likely 710374 which MIGHT move to IL on 5Q73 on Monday.
'375 has been on test from WN on the WCML

HTH

 

[3973EXL]

An unidentified 710 can be seen from just off the London Road, wonder if this is 375!

Both 270 & 374 have been noted at Litchurch Lane during the week!

 

[Terry Williams]

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Realtime Trains | 5Q73 0711 Derby Litchurch Lane to Ilford E.M.U.D. | 05/06/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5M57 1542 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) | 05/06/2023

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5Q73 departed DY spot on time at 07:11

 

[3973EXL]

5Q73 37510 710374 37611

 

[Peter Sarf]

5Q73 37510 710374 37611

Thanks @3973EXL, only one left to go after this - ie the return of 270 /counting-chickens.

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EDIT :-
Observed 710374 on delivery passing through Ilford. Than passed it again as I went to Seven Kings. I noticed it is slightly grubby on the outside (hint of dusty light brown) but what intrigued me was the lack of vehicle numbers on both sides - only unit numbers. Is this a task that only Ilford is entrusted with ?. It does indicate to me that 374 is maybe unfinished in other ways and so it might be a a while before being ready for action. I failed to notice if there were seats inside btw.

 

[800001]

Thanks @3973EXL, only one left to go after this - ie the return of 270 /counting-chickens.

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Observed 710374 on delivery passing through Ilford. Than passed it again as I went to Seven Kings. I noticed it is slightly grubby on the outside (hint of dusty light brown) but what intrigued me was the lack of vehicle numbers on both sides - only unit numbers. Is this a task that only Ilford is entrusted with ?. It does indicate to me that 374 is maybe unfinished in other ways and so it might be a a while before being ready for action. I failed to notice if there were seats inside btw.

710270 was observed sat outside at Litchurch Lane on Saturday, on a row of lines where the latest delivery units normally wait (visible from the school part way down London Road).

710374 was been shunted around along with 720130.

 

[Electrojuniper]

710374 now has to be rebuilt, so dont expect seeing it any time soon. 710270 has a similar task to 374, but is ahead with fitting - as predominantly rebuilt on its last trip to London.

710375 out now for the next nights on fault free running. tonight and tomorrow along the NLR route.

 

[800001]

710374 now has to be rebuilt, so dont expect seeing it any time soon. 710270 has a similar task to 374, but is ahead with fitting - as predominantly rebuilt on its last trip to London.

710375 out now for the next nights on fault free running. tonight and tomorrow along the NLR route.

Can I ask in what way you mean rebuilt? What needs doing to them?

 

[1D54]

710270 was observed sat outside at Litchurch Lane on Saturday, on a row of lines where the latest delivery units normally wait (visible from the school part way down London Road).
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I was at Litchurch Lane on Saturday but was unable to identify the 710 that was next to the pair of 720s

 

[Electrojuniper]

all I can say is that its extensive :/ but includes repaint, modifications and replacing missing components

 

[800001]

710270 was observed sat outside at Litchurch Lane on Saturday, on a row of lines where the latest delivery units normally wait (visible from the school part way down London Road).
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I was at Litchurch Lane on Saturday but was unable to identify the 710 that was next to the pair of 720s

It was 270 and I could ID the Number and had just seen 374 as I wrote above.

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all I can say is that its extensive :/ but includes repaint, modifications and replacing missing components

Thanks, sounds like a quality product

 

[Electrojuniper]

well 710379 ran for two days and then disappeared for weeks oos. no comments on that one!

 

[Peter Sarf]

all I can say is that its extensive :/ but includes repaint, modifications and replacing missing components

Does this mean the last 710s were not completed at Derby and the remaining work is being done by Ilford ?. I know 710375 spent about three months at Ilford after being delivered from Derby before it recently got to Willesden and test runs. Perhaps it is just internal fit out ?. But before that istr 710379 arrived at Ilford by road so maybe had more left to do.

I know 710270 is interesting as it had been in London and maybe even been in use but ended up back at Derby after a spell at Worksop.

 

[Electrojuniper]

Does this mean the last 710s were not completed at Derby and the remaining work is being done by Ilford ?. I know 710375 spent about three months at Ilford after being delivered from Derby before it recently got to Willesden and test runs. Perhaps it is just internal fit out ?. But before that istr 710379 arrived at Ilford by road so maybe had more left to do.

I know 710270 is interesting as it had been in London and maybe even been in use but ended up back at Derby after a spell at Worksopp

Does this mean the last 710s were not completed at Derby and the remaining work is being done by Ilford ?. I know 710375 spent about three months at Ilford after being delivered from Derby before it recently got to Willesden and test runs. Perhaps it is just internal fit out ?. But before that istr 710379 arrived at Ilford by road so maybe had more left to do.

I know 710270 is interesting as it had been in London and maybe even been in use but ended up back at Derby after a spell at Worksop.

well 379 was missing a lot of bits and the worst of all remaining units. likewise 374 and 375 have been used for testing of the latest softwares. Both had some form of interiors but not complete. Items being robbed from the production line and awaiting damaged components being ordered and replaced.

The movement of units to Worksop recently was down to space constraints at the derby works. Nothing else.

 

[Peter Sarf]

well 379 was missing a lot of bits and the worst of all remaining units. likewise 374 and 375 have been used for testing of the latest softwares. Both had some form of interiors but not complete. Items being robbed from the production line and awaiting damaged components being ordered and replaced.

The movement of units to Worksop recently was down to space constraints at the derby works. Nothing else.

So what sort of condition is 270 in I wonder ?. I guess that if it has moved to Derby from Worksop (as reported very recently) it must be expected to give up its space at Derby and leave there soon back to London.

 

[Electrojuniper]

270 was nearly completed before return to derby. Both 270 and 374 have the same defects and awaiting components

 

[Peter Sarf]

270 was nearly completed before return to derby. Both 270 and 374 have the same defects and awaiting components

Thanks for that. For a long time I really underestimated the part Ilford plays in the production of 710s. Seems more than just commissioning.

I also find it ironic that Ilfords 720s go to Wembley/Willesden for "commissioning" - well it seems to be Fault Free Running really. So does that mean the 720s arrive in London from Derby much more "complete" than 710s do ?.

I suppose there have only been a few 710s to complete for the last 6 months - only 6 units and maybe for longer than six months ?. It follows that perhaps it is a waste of space at Derby having a dedicated area for the 710s "commissioning" and that Ilford was easier. The idea being of get the 710s out of the way of a busy factory while Ilford maybe has space awaiting its own 720s. Conjecture but asking.

 

[Electrojuniper]

Yes you are right broadly. Can’t advise you of the reasoning (sorry) however the 710 going through mod plan and rebuilding are within the heavy side of the Alstom works. Can’t comment on the 720’s on rebuild, but from my understanding they are also being modified within the heavy side of the ilford

 

[Peter Sarf]

Yes you are right broadly. Can’t advise you of the reasoning (sorry) however the 710 going through mod plan and rebuilding are within the heavy side of the Alstom works. Can’t comment on the 720’s on rebuild, but from my understanding they are also being modified within the heavy side of the ilford

Thanks. Should not really underestimate what Ilford do.

 

[AventraFlex]

Looks like the 710s are now operating on the NLL. Travelling on one as we speak

 

[HXX]

Looks like the 710s are now operating on the NLL. Travelling on one as we speak

Was just going to say I've just seen an unidentified set on 2N78 at Brondesbury moments ago

 

[AventraFlex]

That’s probably the one I was on

It’s 710 376 in case you were wondering

 

[Electrojuniper]

short of 378's today...........

 

[AventraFlex]

Oh is that the reason? Is it not going to be a permanent thing?

 

[Electrojuniper]

yes.

medium term they will be introduced but not quite yet. ad hoc yes if short