Class 707 - SWT: Introduction into service

[fgwrich]

As that is 707005 - Do we know how far Siemens are in the construction of the 707s yet? And how close they are to arriving into the UK?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/1081311158626140/

Includes the testing on one of the units

 

[jon0844]

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/1081311158626140/

Includes the testing on one of the units

Slightly different screen layout? Three separate panels this time? Not sure as I watched on my phone with a poor quality stream.

 

[Class377/5]

As that is 707005 - Do we know how far Siemens are in the construction of the 707s yet? And how close they are to arriving into the UK?

Few weeks. Date TBC.

And the screens are different with two smaller panels and one bigger compared to the Thameslink Class 700.

 

[Domh245]

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthToday/videos/1081311158626140/

Includes the testing on one of the units

Love the fact that the top comment is someone slagging off Bombardier for their build quality. It was 707002 on the test track that they were filming on for anyone interested, so I would guess that it and 001 are doing type approval, whilst 003 onwards will be first to arrive in Britain?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

There's a service from Woking-Waterloo run currently by a 455, will that be one of the services taken over by the 707s?

 

[swt_passenger]

There's a service from Woking-Waterloo run currently by a 455, will that be one of the services taken over by the 707s?

That level of detail has never been made available yet.

But in general, 455s will remain in normal use on the mainline side, but there will also be plenty of additional 450s and even some 458s to play with, so I suggest all you can safely say is that it is unlikely to be a 444 or a 159... :roll:

 

[Class377/5]

Love the fact that the top comment is someone slagging off Bombardier for their build quality. It was 707002 on the test track that they were filming on for anyone interested, so I would guess that it anyd 001 are doing type approval, whilst 003 onwards will be first to arrive in Britain?

001/002 will becoming over as first pair shortly for UK type testing including AC work.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

There's a service from Woking-Waterloo run currently by a 455, will that be one of the services taken over by the 707s?

I think they are mostly going to replace the 458s and I don't think that there will be any left over as there are currently about 32 358s?

That mean they will be mostly running on Windsor, Houslow loop and Weybridge via Staines.

Now with 1 - 2 seating there are going to be much less seating available. No chance of a seat from Feltham on the Windsors in the morning

Good job I am retiring

 

[Class377/5]

Just seen a good photo from Paul Big land (Rail), screens are the same as the 700s. Orange and rails look good tho.

 

[TEW]

That level of detail has never been made available yet.

But in general, 455s will remain in normal use on the mainline side, but there will also be plenty of additional 450s and even some 458s to play with, so I suggest all you can safely say is that it is unlikely to be a 444 or a 159... :roll:

456s freed up from Guildford-Ascot work too to allow more 10-car 455+455+456 formations. As seems to be a common theme in threads about SWT stock, I'm pretty sure we've gone over this all before!

 

[absolutelymilk]

Something I don't understand - when the 458/5s were created, they were re-geared down to 75mph from 100mph as they didn't require the higher top speed. Why are the 707s going to be 100mph when they will be replacing the 458/5s?

 

[AM9]

Something I don't understand - when the 458/5s were created, they were re-geared down to 75mph from 100mph as they didn't require the higher top speed. Why are the 707s going to be 100mph when they will be replacing the 458/5s?

Presumably because they are:
a) directly derived from the 700s which despite their gearing for 100mph have absolutely no problem getting to their top speed, even on DC.
b) looking ahead, the 707s as-built capability to run under ac will enable them to interleave with other modern stock (think 450 and 444) as soon as the routes are converted to ac.

There appears to be some forward thinking going on here beyond just who gets the next LSW franchise. Angel will be able to offer rolling stock with at least 30 years life on any electrified routes.

 

[notadriver]

The class 458/5s were regeared to avoid overheating I think.

If the performance of these new units is similar to 450s then a 90 second time to 60 mph on DC is rather slow compared with a 465 Networker.


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[SpacePhoenix]

The class 458/5s were regeared to avoid overheating I think.

If the performance of these new units is similar to 450s then a 90 second time to 60 mph on DC is rather slow compared with a 465 Networker.


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Might be as a result of being power limited in DC mode, Networkers probably don't draw as much power.

 

[swt_passenger]

456s freed up from Guildford-Ascot work too to allow more 10-car 455+455+456 formations. As seems to be a common theme in threads about SWT stock, I'm pretty sure we've gone over this all before!

We have indeed. I think the best plan is to just wait and see; the overall effects will ripple through across the franchise gradually, and probably over about an 18 month period or so, because they are also dependent on Waterloo rework and platform lengthening.

Might even filter down to Lymington if (as I suspect) it will finally make a 450 available for that route 7/7...

 

[class387]

I think they are mostly going to replace the 458s and I don't think that there will be any left over as there are currently about 32 358s?

That mean they will be mostly running on Windsor, Houslow loop and Weybridge via Staines.

Now with 1 - 2 seating there are going to be much less seating available. No chance of a seat from Feltham on the Windsors in the morning

Good job I am retiring

I'm not sure whether I've missed something but are these trains 2+1 throughout? Because the Waterloo mock-up showed 2+2 seating.

 

[swt_passenger]

I'm not sure whether I've missed something but are these trains 2+1 throughout? Because the Waterloo mock-up showed 2+2 seating.

Partially 1+2 but mostly 2+2. As is visible in the previously linked video.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Partially 1+2 but mostly 2+2. As is visible in the previously linked video.

OK I must have just noticed the seating on the section of video that was 2+1, I am glad they will be mostly 2+2

 

[swt_passenger]

OK I must have just noticed the seating on the section of video that was 2+1, I am glad they will be mostly 2+2

I had to keep stopping and starting the video, but at the point where Paul Clifton starts talking about it being a 'plain vanilla' train, (about 53s from the end) he is coming from a section that is 2+2.

It seems to be different either side of that inter-carriage gangway. Perhaps the singles are a priority seating area or something, there's an unreadable blue sign above them on the bulkhead?

Edited to add:

Paul Bigland has put up some interior shots of the different layouts starting here: http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p487954781/h7812b76b#h71e15259

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

I had to keep stopping and starting the video, but at the point where Paul Clifton starts talking about it being a 'plain vanilla' train, (about 53s from the end) he is coming from a section that is 2+2.

It seems to be different either side of that inter-carriage gangway. Perhaps the singles are a priority seating area or something, there's an unreadable blue sign above them on the bulkhead?

Edited to add:

Paul Bigland has put up some interior shots of the different layouts starting here: http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p487954781/h7812b76b#h71e15259

OK from those shots the layout looks very similar to the 458s with a double row of single seats adjacent to the doors.

On the plus side I do like the open gangways between coaches. I think it will help prevent the situations where people are crammed into one coach whilst there are seats in other coaches.

 

[Nym]

OK from those shots the layout looks very similar to the 458s with a double row of single seats adjacent to the doors.

On the plus side I do like the open gangways between coaches. I think it will help prevent the situations where people are crammed into one coach whilst there are seats in other coaches.

Doesn't work too well on S Stock with longitudinal seating, don't see why it would work on here...

 

[AM9]

Doesn't work too well on S Stock with longitudinal seating, don't see why it would work on here...

If they have the car loading diagrams as per the '700s, that should at least give them the information that they need to spread out. If thery still insist on packing themselves into a few cars then they can't complain.

 

[Nym]

If they have the car loading diagrams as per the '700s, that should at least give them the information that they need to spread out. If thery still insist on packing themselves into a few cars then they can't complain.

But they will, they'll always complain they're at the busy end, why shouldn't they run the train the other way round so it's busy at the other end?

 

[MCR247]

"If there's so many seats at the other end, why dont some of these selfish idiots move down then? :roll: Not me of course, I'm really important so I need to be off first at Waterloo"

 

[AM9]

"If there's so many seats at the other end, why dont some of these selfish idiots move down then? :roll: Not me of course, I'm really important so I need to be off first at Waterloo"

Then their whinges can be ignored, especially if the loading data is stored. I can just imagine the conversation:

It's disgraceful, I pay £Nk* for my ticket and you (the TOC) can't even provide enough seats on the (insert mid-peak train service)!

Well sir/madam, about half of the seats were occupied on your train that day.

Rubbish, the coach I was in was absolutely full of standing passengers!

Well did you look at the passenger information display sir which advised you that there were plenty of seats just two coaches back?

No of course not, I need to travel in that coach, - I don't have time to go looking for empty seats!


* some high figure for a whole year's discounted Anytime travel at less cost per journey than an Off-Peak return.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

If they have the car loading diagrams as per the '700s, that should at least give them the information that they need to spread out. If thery still insist on packing themselves into a few cars then they can't complain.

i

I like sound of those, where can I get more info on the details of these new trains?

Thanks

 

[AM9]

i

I like sound of those, where can I get more info on the details of these new trains?

Thanks

They have been mentioned frequently in this thread:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2616893&highlight=pis%2C+loading#post2616893

and there are a few pictures of the colour coded display showing the approximate load in each coach.

 

[Harbornite]

i

I like sound of those, where can I get more info on the details of these new trains?

Thanks

On 03.09.2014, Stagecoach South West Trains (SWT) made public that it had ordered 30 Desiro City trains from Siemens. It involves five-car trains worth 210 million British pounds in total. Stagecoach South Western Trains is the second customer for Desiro City, a platform optimized for urban transport in Britain. Earlier, the Desiro City was ordered for the new Thameslink services in and around London.

The order runs through leasing company Alpha trains that will hire the trains to SWT. All 30 sets should enter service in 2017 as class 707. On 18.05.2016, Wolfgang Scheer was able to portray sets no. 707 001 and 002 during test runs at the T1 circuit at Siemens’ test center in Wegberg-Wildenrath (DE).

railcolornews.com/2016/05/18/uk-coming-to-the-innotrans-desiro-city-for-south-west-trains/

 

[jcc]

Oh my god, that looks horrible. My one year old could come up with a better livery. The red doesn't flatter the 455s, but this is by far going to be the worst livery on British network. Please let First Group win the SW franchise (just for a better livery)