Class 47 left to rot...

[RailProfileUK]

I browse quite a few forums relating to deralict places and the 28 days later theme.

Here's 47540 the institution of civil engineers in a sorry state. Some of you my have seen it others may not.

Someone did a write up on myspace about it, plenty of pictures to have a look at.

http://www.myspace.com/phill.d/blog/403603799

http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=5320

[QUOTE='KingElvis' at Derelict Places]Today on the way to a job I made a return to one of my fave all time explores....The Train Graveyard.

This is a collection someone has put together of locos, carriages and shunters in a field and then left them to rot. My main target was the drivers cab of the Type 47 Loco "The Institute of Civil Engineers" and after much searching, I managed to crawl through and what a place it was to be in

(Yes, I sat in the drivers seat LOL)

Also, other lovely remnants of BR remain in here, old signal lights, British Rail signs and mirrors.

All in all a fantastic explore and one which I enjoyed immensely. Hope you enjoy the pictures.

The wonderful Type 47 Locomotive "The Institute of Civil Engineers"[/QUOTE]

 

[Manchester77]

Fascinating sets of pictures
Wow where is that railway graveyard? I'd love to google it and see what see it has!

 

[Harbon 1]

Fascinating sets of pictures
Wow where is that railway graveyard? I'd love to google it and see what see it has!

I think I'd have to join you on that! Great pictures ass well!

 

[DarloRich]

it is either at Dalton airfield or when it was stored next to the A1 - they look like old pictures

is it not stored on the Wenslydale Railway?

 

[Manchester77]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dalesrailphoto/sets/72157632957502756/detail/

I think it is Dalton Airfield, where mark IIs come to die

 

[Jordy]

The 47 is now festering in a similar state at the Wensleydale Railway

 

[Manchester77]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3464/5738180618_c1484da5ab_z.jpg brings back memories

 

[MCW]

I really want to explore places like that...

 

[Goatboy]

It's empty now. It was used to store a selection of MK2 coaches and the 37 all of which were bought for restoration. Nothing ever happened and the site was cleared,mthe coaches went for scrap.

I wonder who owned them and what the plans were?

 

[12CSVT]

If you think 47540 looks bad, you should have seen the state of 47370 after it spent more than 5 years dumped at the back of Ipswich station !

 

[455driver]

Was that the green one?
it was grey when they parked it there.

I did hear a rumour that it was going to be named "moss side"!

 

[12CSVT]

Was that the green one?
it was grey when they parked it there.

I did hear a rumour that it was going to be named "moss side"!

It was in Railfreight grey (with Freightliner logos) when it was withdrawn in 2003, but green (including windows, bogies, etc) when it went for scrap, in 2009 or 2010.

 

[Boothby97]

It's empty now. It was used to store a selection of MK2 coaches and the 37 all of which were bought for restoration. Nothing ever happened and the site was cleared,mthe coaches went for scrap.

I wonder who owned them and what the plans were?

I believe they were owned by a group called the Mark 2 Preservation Group.


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[yummy125]

It's very sad to see loco's left to rust for years, why can't they be stripped for spares then sold for scrap rather than litter the railway lines & make the area look ugly. Like the 60's at Toton, repair them or scrap em, same with 90's &
92's at Crewe.

 

[Boothby97]

It's very sad to see loco's left to rust for years, why can't they be stripped for spares then sold for scrap rather than litter the railway lines & make the area look ugly. Like the 60's at Toton, repair them or scrap em, same with 90's &
92's at Crewe.

But some locos hold spare parts such as power units. Seen as you mention Crewe and Toton, have you been round the back of the WCRC depot at Carnforth. This was the view last October (taken by me)

These locomotives will hold some vital parts that does not mean they require to head off to a scrap yard just yet!

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[DarloRich]

It's very sad to see loco's left to rust for years, why can't they be stripped for spares then sold for scrap rather than litter the railway lines & make the area look ugly. Like the 60's at Toton, repair them or scrap em, same with 90's &
92's at Crewe.

because to dump all that scrap metal into the market risks driving the price down. Much better to keep it and dispose in drips and drabs while the market is high.

 

[CC 72100]

because to dump all that scrap metal into the market risks driving the price down. Much better to keep it and dispose in drips and drabs while the market is high.

Plus better to keep hold of assets that your competitors could want. (Would Freightliner be interested in the 92s to replace the 86s perhaps?)

 

[fgwrich]

it is either at Dalton airfield or when it was stored next to the A1 - they look like old pictures

is it not stored on the Wenslydale Railway?

The old A1 Site is now long gone, as the 'stored' coaches were moved on from the roadside of the A1 to Dalton before the starting of the A1(M) Expansion program. Most of the Mk2s are now sitting in Booths, if not now cut up too.

 

[scottie]

47540 is being tidied up into br blue livery at the moment.

 

[Boothby97]

The old A1 Site is now long gone, as the 'stored' coaches were moved on from the roadside of the A1 to Dalton before the starting of the A1(M) Expansion program. Most of the Mk2s are now sitting in Booths, if not now cut up too.

I think two ended up preserved, Mk2c SO 6411 and Mk2a TSO 5335 both at the Great Central Railway (North)


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[DarloRich]

The old A1 Site is now long gone, as the 'stored' coaches were moved on from the roadside of the A1 to Dalton before the starting of the A1(M) Expansion program. Most of the Mk2s are now sitting in Booths, if not now cut up too.

i know it is long gone! it was on my route to work for 2 years before i switched to the train. The MKii were in a shocking state by the time they left their roadside storage location - i am shocked there was anything left to scrap!

 

[ryan125hst]

It's sad to see those coaches and locos rusting away like that. What's even worse though is the fact that no one thought to use them while they could. There is a rolling stock shortage, so why have so many coaches been scrapped or left to rot?

I know they are old- the ones featured were built in the 60's and 70's, but it doesn't mean they can't be used somewhere. Is there a reason why they couldn't have been used on a branch line or regional line before they were left to rust? It would free up a few DMU's to help relieve over crowding on other services.

 

[daccer]

The policy of making EWs (DBS) offer its redundant assets up for tender rather than being disposed of as they see fit has precipitated their very elongated attempts to degrade the stock so that its competition cannot reuse it and scrap is the only option.

This was done I believe at the time of privatisation to encourage the distributon of assets to new entrants etc but has not worked and has resulted in locos being deliberately ruined before being offered for sale.

Because of the boom and bust in scrap prices over the last few years disposals do tend to happen in cycles but historically there is probably less scrap laying around on the railway than at any time in recent history. Whether this is a good thing or not is up for argument but to see the way class 56's are being snapped up does suggest some FOC's see some sort of power crisis coming.

 

[455driver]

They would need a full overhaul and fitting with secondary door locks, staff would need to be trained on them (yes seriously, the staff need that tick in the box), the slam doors would seriously effect station dwell times (people dont close doors anymore, thats the staffs job) meaning the timetable would need to be rewritten and you would get less trips out of the loco and coaches per day compared to a DMU, the loco would need to run round at the end of each journey (if there is a loop available) or you would have to top and tail the train increasing turn around times and also the leasing costs, track access charges would be huge compared to a DMU (especially if top and tailing) and would not be recouped by you and me going for a ride on it occasionally.
Other than those few points its a good idea.

Personally I would like nothing more than a few loco hauled sets replacing DMUs but its just too expensive with the way the railways are set up now.

 

[ryan125hst]

They would need a full overhaul and fitting with secondary door locks, staff would need to be trained on them (yes seriously, the staff need that tick in the box), the slam doors would seriously effect station dwell times (people dont close doors anymore, thats the staffs job) meaning the timetable would need to be rewritten and you would get less trips out of the loco and coaches per day compared to a DMU, the loco would need to run round at the end of each journey (if there is a loop available) or you would have to top and tail the train increasing turn around times and also the leasing costs, track access charges would be huge compared to a DMU (especially if top and tailing) and would not be recouped by you and me going for a ride on it occasionally.
Other than those few points its a good idea.

Personally I would like nothing more than a few loco hauled sets replacing DMUs but its just too expensive with the way the railways are set up now.

They are all very good and true points, and sadly reflect todays railways. What I can never understand is the fact that British Rail managed to use slam door stock with locomotives up and down the country day in, day out, yet as you have proved, it is very difficult for this to happen now.

I don't really mean it should be done now as it would be very costly to do. However, why didn't they do this when the coaches were withdrawn. Mainline rolling stock used to move to more secondary routes didn't it? (think about the Great Eastern Mainline). Surely those Mark 2's could have found a use on secondary lines (look at the 2-3 hour runs that some two or three car DMU's have that would be ideal for a loco hauled train).

I suppose the biggest problem is the age of the coaches and the locomotives that would haul them. Mind you, if more sensible trains were ordered post privatisation, maybe we would't even be having this discussion.

 

[455driver]

The joys of old coaches is that they all have the same coupling, heating and air brake systems so can all work together unlike "modern" units/coaches.

I have seen a broken down 450 at Longcross completely destroy the evening rush hour out of Waterloo because no train could rescue it as they were all 458s and they then all got stuck behind it and so couldnt get to Waterloo, all because of a different coupler.
Back in the good old days the unit behind would just run up behind it and push it out the way because they had standard couplings and it would have taken half an hour, now it takes hours and hours while everyone comes up with reasons why it cant be done rather than reasons why it can.

Standards keep changing every week rather than be "standard", its the "modern" way unfortunately and not just on the railways.

 

[badassunicorn]

I don't know about SWT, but on GA where we have 360's, they carry adaptor couplers on each unit that allow them to be coupled to tightlocks.

 

[Dave1987]

I don't know about SWT, but on GA where we have 360's, they carry adaptor couplers on each unit that allow them to be coupled to tightlocks.

Sorry but that isn't strictly true, I sign both 321 and 360. The emergency coupler can be used with a schrader pipe to get parking brakes off but the brakes have to be isolated on the unit you are dragging and you can only move at 5mph. As far as I know the adapter coupler has never been used operationally and is only there as an absolute last resort.

 

[455driver]

I don't know about SWT, but on GA where we have 360's, they carry adaptor couplers on each unit that allow them to be coupled to tightlocks.

Who is allowed to fit them?

 

[badassunicorn]

I also sign 321 and 360, and what I said is true, you can couple a Dellner to a Tightlock. I just didn't mention the miriad of restrictions that apply =P They are really only used to get a stranded 360 off the mainline and can be fitted by drivers, obviously with the permission of fleet, control, signaller blah blah...