Class 458/5

[transmanche]

Really!
I thought they were designed and built for the extended South Western electrification to Weymouth!

Class 442?

 

[Harbon 1]

Class 442?

I think I sense a hint sarcasm in 455driver's post

 

[455driver]

I think I sense a hint sarcasm in 455driver's post

Nope genuine (rather embarrasing) mistake on my part, that will teach me to speed read without checking!

Must take more water with it!

 

[Chris125]

When the 3rd rail lines get converted to overhead, how much work is involved in converting the 485's to overhead?

It's far from certain that there'll be any conversion of lines operated by 458s within their lifetime, and even if there are I'd be surprised if there wasn't somewhere else on the 3rd rail network to cascade them.

Chris

 

[cjmillsnun]

What's the cost of the 485's compared with a new build of class 450s?

When the 3rd rail lines get converted to overhead, how much work is involved in converting the 485's to overhead? I've read somewhere that the 450s have got all the wiring needed for overhead in place and would presumably just need a transformer bolted onto the underside, a pantograph bolted into the pantograph well (both connected to the wiring), possibly a new panel in the cab and a software update.

When the 3rd rail lines get converted, I suspect the 458s as a small fleet will be retired.

 

[swt_passenger]

By the time ALL the third rail area is converted, the 458s will be about 75 years old.

Within their realistic probable lifetime it won't be an issue, there'll always be somewhere they can be used..

 

[TEW]

Looks like another pair of /5s are out to test tomorrow:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q33363/2014/03/31/advanced

Have any units other than 531 and 534 even started the necessary fault free running yet, let alone completed it?

 

[WarrenTManager]

Looks like another pair of /5s are out to test tomorrow:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q33363/2014/03/31/advanced

Have any units other than 531 and 534 even started the necessary fault free running yet, let alone completed it?

It's done in pairs as it needs to be a 10 car formation to check the ASDO. So 533 has 'twiddled its thumbs' until 535 arrives and gets commisioned.

Will start this week I should think.


Same will apply with 8502 and 8501 and 8532 and 8536.

 

[455driver]

Same will apply with 8502 and 8501 and 8532 and 8536.

I want 8001 back.

Bloomin quick that one!

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Thanks. I Imagine it will be a very expensive job if they go for it, doesn't look easy to extend under the bridge at the London end and obviously the level crossing at the other end.

The level crossing only serves a short length of road and the crossing is one way at the moment. I would have thought the easiest solution would be to just close the level crossing.

 

[Monty]

That was the plan from what I had heard, but the local council were having none of it.

 

[Bigfoot]

That was the plan from what I had heard, but the local council were having none of it.

Shame the local council don't have a say in what crossings are closed. Consulted, yes, questioned, yes. But they don't own the crossing or the land. Only the roads either side...

 

[Goldfish62]

Looks like another pair of /5s are out to test tomorrow:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q33363/2014/03/31/advanced

Have any units other than 531 and 534 even started the necessary fault free running yet, let alone completed it?

I believe that unit 3 onwards requires only 1000 miles fault-free running.
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Shame the local council don't have a say in what crossings are closed. Consulted, yes, questioned, yes. But they don't own the crossing or the land. Only the roads either side...

Closing the crossing has indeed been talked about for years.

It looks like there may be enough room to divert the road and move the crossing westwards if the little-used car park is closed and part of the Asda delivery access road is converted to public highway.

 

[TEW]

I believe that unit 3 onwards requires only 1000 miles fault-free running.

That would speed things up quite dramatically. The first 2 were 5,000 weren't they?

 

[randompixel]

The last door on the rear carriage is getting fussy as to when it opens. Twice now at CJ it has remained locked triggering a mad scramble to the other end of the coach even though it's been well within the platform length.

 

[455driver]

The last door on the rear carriage is getting fussy as to when it opens. Twice now at CJ it has remained locked triggering a mad scramble to the other end of the coach even though it's been well within the platform length.

It probably depends where exactly the driver stops, if he lets the train run on a little then the door opens, if the driver stops a little bit earlier (but still on the platform) then the door remaind locked.

It sounds as if the balise needs moving a few feet to ensure it allows the door to open.

 

[cjohnson]

The last door on the rear carriage is getting fussy as to when it opens. Twice now at CJ it has remained locked triggering a mad scramble to the other end of the coach even though it's been well within the platform length.

Both doors on the rear carriage (nearest the barriers) refused to open at Waterloo on Friday evening, so there's something that needs fixing!

 

[Bigfoot]

Both doors on the rear carriage (nearest the barriers) refused to open at Waterloo on Friday evening, so there's something that needs fixing!

That's because the driver keyed off too quickly...

 

[cjohnson]

"17:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:19
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 10."

Did it fail sometime today?

 

[user15681]

"17:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:19
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 10."

Did it fail sometime today?

13:28 Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside, 2U37, encountered problems with the brakes. Was sent to Wimbledon after and replaced.

 

[cjohnson]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W34984/2014/04/08/advanced

A problem with the doors today on the 458/5.

 

[Juniper Driver]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W34984/2014/04/08/advanced

A problem with the doors today on the 458/5.

Great,I've been called up for 458/5 training (conversion).

I remember seeing it on plat 18.It got in from empties without much time to spare.

 

[Bigfoot]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W34984/2014/04/08/advanced

A problem with the doors today on the 458/5.

I wondered why it ran towards wimbledon via kingston empty. Still looks very new...

 

[Juniper Driver]

That's because the driver keyed off too quickly...

Yes I heard this.They are working on a fix.If you key off too quickly on Desiro it doesn't make the "Thanks for traveling on SWT announcement" until they key is reapplied again.This usually happens when the driver re-enters the cab up the other end. Im never in that much of a hurry.

 

[SansPareil]

Looking at realtimetrains it looks like more tests are planned this week between Staines -Windsor/Reading.

I noticed today that the piercingly loud door chimes aren't present on the ex-gatwick 458/5s hopefully it will be the same for the ex SWT ones.

 

[Monty]

Looking at realtimetrains it looks like more tests are planned this week between Staines -Windsor/Reading.

I noticed today that the piercingly loud door chimes aren't present on the ex-gatwick 458/5s hopefully it will be the same for the ex SWT ones.

To my knowledge the ex 458/0s will retain their current hustle alarms.

 

[SansPareil]

To my knowledge the ex 458/0s will retain their current hustle alarms.

That's a shame, maybe it's just my ears, but I find the noise almost painful. I suppose it might do a job of keeping those on the platform from crowding the doors!

 

[Goldfish62]

I haven't actually been on a journey yet where the PIS has been working. What's the problem with it?

Also today, the guard did not make an announcement about the short platform at Feltham, resulting in much panic in the rear two coaches, and also had the locked the inter-unit gangway. Hmmm - not impressive.

 

[hassaanhc]

I haven't actually been on a journey yet where the PIS has been working. What's the problem with it?

Also today, the guard did not make an announcement about the short platform at Feltham, resulting in much panic in the rear two coaches, and also had the locked the inter-unit gangway. Hmmm - not impressive.

The only time I went on it, about 2 weeks ago, it was working

 

[Via Bank]

I haven't actually been on a journey yet where the PIS has been working. What's the problem with it?

Also today, the guard did not make an announcement about the short platform at Feltham, resulting in much panic in the rear two coaches, and also had the locked the inter-unit gangway. Hmmm - not impressive.

It's turned off between Feltham and Windsor, apparently because it crashes after FEL and gets stuck announcing "The next station is Feltham." (I overheard that from a SWT staff member chatting to the guard on the first day in service, so I might be wrong.)

Are you sure the gangway was locked? Many people have assumed it is locked because it has hinged rather than sliding doors, which regularly need a firm shove to open! (That said, I have seen the gangway locked out before.)