Class 450 on commuter routes!

[Monty]

I wouldn't say it's any quicker IMO, sure on a 450 the cab door closes quicker than a local door would in a passenger saloon but on the flip side the cab door is slower to open (and actually take a great deal of effort at times). There are many reasons a guard may not walk through a train, but being quicker to dispatch in the cabs is not one of them.

 

[455driver]

I wouldn't say it's any quicker IMO, sure on a 450 the cab door closes quicker than a local door would in a passenger saloon but on the flip side the cab door is slower to open (and actually take a great deal of effort at times). There are many reasons a guard may not walk through a train, but being quicker to dispatch in the cabs is not one of them.

All I used to do was look out the open cab window, ping the cab door and instantly release the rest of the doors, I never used to wrestle with the cab door first.
Had Managers doing ride outs and they were happy that I was working safely, but of course the rules have changed 20 times since then!

 

[Monty]

Well they have changed yet again as guards are allowed to do a full door release before opening the local door if their route knowledge is sufficient to be certain your train is fully accommodated. Personally I do it the old fashioned way.

 

[455driver]

Well they have changed yet again as guards are allowed to do a full door release before opening the local door if their route knowledge is sufficient to be certain your train is fully accommodated. Personally I do it the old fashioned way.

Yeah I have had a few (new) guards* doing that but all the old hands still do it the old way (except one), of course my way now becomes the best for safety and speed rather than opening from the saloon.

* How a new guards RK is up to that I have no idea, and I always say to them what happens when you release the doors and there is a door off the back, who is up in front of Manglement? They then start doing it the old way, I wonder why that is?

The new way just seems to be a way of speeding things up but if Manglement were sensible then there wouldnt be a problem, the reason it is so slow is because they kept coming up with extra stuff the guard has to do which slowed the whole job down.
I have a funny feeling that as more guards start doing the new method (and incidents rise) then Manglement will look round and say it would be no different if the driver released the doors instead of the guard!

 

[waterboo]

Well they have changed yet again as guards are allowed to do a full door release before opening the local door if their route knowledge is sufficient to be certain your train is fully accommodated. Personally I do it the old fashioned way.

Old fashioned way seems better. It defeats the point of a guard if local doors are opened first. I would not call it old fashioned to be honest.

 

[RobShipway]

I would prefer to be on a train with a guard like Monty who thinks about the passenger safety first, even if it takes a few moments to open doors than someone that is trigger happy such that they have the doors open once the train has stopped.

 

[Goldfish62]

Well they have changed yet again as guards are allowed to do a full door release before opening the local door if their route knowledge is sufficient to be certain your train is fully accommodated. Personally I do it the old fashioned way.

But I remember the old fashioned way (in the 80s and 90s) as the doors being released as soon as the train stopped. In fact I remember some guards on 455s releasing the doors from the drivers desk, and then wandering out to open the local door after a while....