Class 442 Disposals

[47444]

I have just found in the allocations and diagrams folder a thread on Class 442 scrap moves - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/442-scrap-workings.218149/

It documents well the gradual movement of 442 units from Bournemouth to Wolverton where they are being stripped before onward movement to Sims Newport by road. I gather there are no units left at Bournemouth now.

However, it is not easy to track through that thread which units/vehicles have actually been dispatched to Sims or have been broken up more recently at Eastleigh by Raxstar.

My incomplete notes currently have the following situation:

442401 - 4 coaches broken up at Eastleigh - 77382 to be preserved by Northumbria Rail Ltd
442402 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442403 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442404 - at Eastleigh
442405 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62944 broken up there
442406 - broken up at Sims Newport
442407 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62943 broken up there
442408 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442409 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442410 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442411 - at Eastleigh
442412 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62947 broken up there
442413 - at Eastleigh
442414 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442415 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442416 - broken up at Sims Newport
442417 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442418 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442419 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442420 - at Wolverton - was used as brake runner for movements
442421 - broken up at Eastleigh
442422 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442423 - broken up at Sims Newport
442424 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62960 broken up there

My core uncertainties are

1. whether any units I have as at Eastleigh have been broken up there or moved to Wolverton?
2. which vehicles have left Wolverton for Newport

Any help very welcome.

 

[ANDREW_D_WEBB]

After spending last week shuttling back and forth between Bournemouth and Wolverton 66703, 73107 and 73128 returned light engine to Eastleigh on Thursday, leaving 2420 at Wolverton, strongly suggesting that there are no further units to make the move north. 66703 remained at Eastleigh yesterday, the 73s went back light to Tonbridge on Friday.

Finding moves from Wolverton to Newport will be a matter of luck, being on the M1, M25, M4 route at the right time to see the lorry conveying the doomed vehicle. Once at Newport I think the vehicles are broken up virtually on arrival. Very rare to see photos from inside the yard, it is within the security cordon of Newport docks, so cannot even take a stroll round to ‘peak over the fence’.

 

[Nym]

Well, hopefully they pull off more than just the traction kit at Wolverton, there's a lot of very expensive things fitted to them now.

 

[strimmer]

After spending last week shuttling back and forth between Bournemouth and Wolverton 66703, 73107 and 73128 returned light engine to Eastleigh on Thursday, leaving 2420 at Wolverton, strongly suggesting that there are no further units to make the move north. 66703 remained at Eastleigh yesterday, the 73s went back light to Tonbridge on Friday.

Finding moves from Wolverton to Newport will be a matter of luck, being on the M1, M25, M4 route at the right time to see the lorry conveying the doomed vehicle. Once at Newport I think the vehicles are broken up virtually on arrival. Very rare to see photos from inside the yard, it is within the security cordon of Newport docks, so cannot even take a stroll round to ‘peak over the fence’.

That should be 66722, not 703.

 

[47444]

Finding moves from Wolverton to Newport will be a matter of luck, being on the M1, M25, M4 route at the right time to see the lorry conveying the doomed vehicle. Once at Newport I think the vehicles are broken up virtually on arrival. Very rare to see photos from inside the yard, it is within the security cordon of Newport docks, so cannot even take a stroll round to ‘peak over the fence’.

Thanks very much.

At some point in the future it should be clear when all vehicles have left Wolverton for scrapping. Whether all go to Newport or some go to other Sims sites we may never know.

Which vehicles remain at Eastleigh and which have been scrapped there may also only become clear over time.

 

[FOCTOC]

I have just found in the allocations and diagrams folder a thread on Class 442 scrap moves - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/442-scrap-workings.218149/

It documents well the gradual movement of 442 units from Bournemouth to Wolverton where they are being stripped before onward movement to Sims Newport by road. I gather there are no units left at Bournemouth now.

However, it is not easy to track through that thread which units/vehicles have actually been dispatched to Sims or have been broken up more recently at Eastleigh by Raxstar.

My incomplete notes currently have the following situation:

442401 - 4 coaches broken up at Eastleigh - 77382 to be preserved by Northumbria Rail Ltd
442402 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442403 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442404 - at Eastleigh
442405 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62944 broken up there
442406 - broken up at Sims Newport
442407 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62943 broken up there
442408 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442409 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442410 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442411 - at Eastleigh
442412 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62947 broken up there
442413 - at Eastleigh
442414 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442415 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442416 - broken up at Sims Newport
442417 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442418 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442419 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442420 - at Wolverton - was used as brake runner for movements
442421 - broken up at Eastleigh
442422 - at Wolverton for component stripping
442423 - broken up at Sims Newport
442424 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62960 broken up there

My core uncertainties are

1. whether any units I have as at Eastleigh have been broken up there or moved to Wolverton?
2. which vehicles have left Wolverton for Newport

Any help very welcome.

2411 is/was at Wolverton.

 

[adc82140]

It's a shame that Carl Watson's photo site is no longer active. That was a great insight in to what got scrapped at Eastleigh.

I've wondered why the motor coaches only of some of the units at Eastleigh got scrapped. Perhaps a future for the rest as some sort of loco healed stock [tongue firmly in cheek].

 

[FOCTOC]

It's a shame that Carl Watson's photo site is no longer active. That was a great insight in to what got scrapped at Eastleigh.

I've wondered why the motor coaches only of some of the units at Eastleigh got scrapped. Perhaps a future for the rest as some sort of loco healed stock [tongue firmly in cheek].

Indeed, I go in there regularly and still don't have a clue what's in there or what's happening!

 

[Nym]

It's a shame that Carl Watson's photo site is no longer active. That was a great insight in to what got scrapped at Eastleigh.

I've wondered why the motor coaches only of some of the units at Eastleigh got scrapped. Perhaps a future for the rest as some sort of loco healed stock [tongue firmly in cheek].

More likely the copper in the motors made it worth the effort where as the others weren't really costing anything to store?

 

[47444]

2411 is/was at Wolverton.

Thanks

 

[43096]

The Blood and Custard website gives a detailed run down of the Class 442 disposals here: BloodandCustard - 5 WES 442 stock

Of the 18 former SWR sets, seven are showing as having gone to Newport for scrap: sets 2402/03/04/06/11/16/23.

 

[fgwrich]

2407 - 4 coaches stored at Eastleigh - 62943 broken up the

The Blood and Custard website gives a detailed run down of the Class 442 disposals here: BloodandCustard - 5 WES 442 stock

Of the 18 former SWR sets, seven are showing as having gone to Newport for scrap: sets 2402/03/04/06/11/16/23.

There will certainly be some changes required to both list and page over the next few weeks, as the stored 442 situation remains fluid Wolverton and Eastleigh; DTS 77412 (from 442407) was disposed of by Raxstar last week.

 

[Ciderking]

2407 just visible in Eastleigh Works.

Eastleigh Works 442407

Early morning shot of the works yard and three cars left of 442407 just visible. Thanks to Andrew Cameron and the BloodandCustard website for info.

www.flickr.com

 

[Western Sunset]

Looks like there is still a unit with four trailers extant in GatEx livery at Eastleigh. Viewed this afternoon (22nd), but unable to see the numbers. Any idea which unit?

 

[444045]

I believe that could be coaches of U.2424, pretty sure there are other coaches of U.2405 & U.2407 at the rear of the works, you can see some of them from the Ports line but you have to be quick as bushes soon get in your way.

 

[Western Sunset]

Thanks.

 

[TrainTrackJack]

A list i have compiled.

Unit no. Withdrawal date Previous Name Status
442401 07/05/2016 Beaulieu Scrapped at Raxstar Eastleigh* 442402 13/03/2017 County of Hampshire Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442403 02/09/2019 The New Forest Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442404 02/09/2019 Borough of Woking Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442405 15/02/2007 City of Portsmouth Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442406 02/09/2019 Victory Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442407 22/01/2007 Thomas Hardy Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442408 02/09/2019 County of Dorset Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442409 07/05/2016 Bournemouth Orchestras Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442410 02/09/2019 Meridian Tonight Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442411 02/09/2019 The Railway Children Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442412 12/02/2007 Special Olympics Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442413 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442414 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442415 05/07/2016 Mary Rose Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442416 31/12/2006 Mum in a Million-1997-Doreen Scanlon Scrapped at SIMS Newport, June 2021
442417 02/09/2019 Woking Homes Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442418 20/05/2016 Wessex Cancer Trust Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442419 02/09/2019 BBC South Today Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442420 02/09/2019 City of Southampton Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442421 26/01/2007 - Scrapped at Eastleigh Works July 2020
442422 02/09/2019 Operation Overlord Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442423 02/09/2019 County of Surrey Scrapped at SIMS Newport 22-23/06/21
442424 20/05/2016 Gerry Newson Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.​

*442401 DTS 77382 Donated to the National Collection.
It seems then that only 2405, 2407, 2412 and 2424 survive, albeit with no means of self propulsion and no future purpose.
( I had planned for this to be displayed as a table but this was unforthcoming, apologies. If you would like to see the table version, i will attach this link for your ease: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fkbgwn_mhu-t835VGGoZOyuhfYmiB3Gpdt_I6H5KeKw/edit?usp=sharing

 

[foggy69]

It seems strange just to leave some units intact but without the motorcoach

 

[DanNCL]

From the list it would appear that all of the motor carriages have now been scrapped, and therefore we have affirmatively had the last ever self powered move of a 442. Can anyone confirm which unit that would have been and when this took place?

It’s interesting that all the surviving carriages are ones that were never refurbished for SWR, in the cases of 4205, 4207 and 4212, they appear not to have worked for GTR either given the last operation dates for those units from 2007. I wonder why those ones have survived longer than those refurbished for SWR.

 

[fgwrich]

A list i have compiled.

Unit no. Withdrawal date Previous Name Status
442401 07/05/2016 Beaulieu Scrapped at Raxstar Eastleigh* 442402 13/03/2017 County of Hampshire Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442403 02/09/2019 The New Forest Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442404 02/09/2019 Borough of Woking Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442405 15/02/2007 City of Portsmouth Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442406 02/09/2019 Victory Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442407 22/01/2007 Thomas Hardy Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442408 02/09/2019 County of Dorset Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442409 07/05/2016 Bournemouth Orchestras Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442410 02/09/2019 Meridian Tonight Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442411 02/09/2019 The Railway Children Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442412 12/02/2007 Special Olympics Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442413 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442414 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442415 05/07/2016 Mary Rose Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442416 31/12/2006 Mum in a Million-1997-Doreen Scanlon Scrapped at SIMS Newport, June 2021
442417 02/09/2019 Woking Homes Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442418 20/05/2016 Wessex Cancer Trust Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442419 02/09/2019 BBC South Today Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442420 02/09/2019 City of Southampton Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442421 26/01/2007 - Scrapped at Eastleigh Works July 2020
442422 02/09/2019 Operation Overlord Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442423 02/09/2019 County of Surrey Scrapped at SIMS Newport 22-23/06/21
442424 20/05/2016 Gerry Newson Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.​

*442401 DTS 77382 Donated to the National Collection.
It seems then that only 2405, 2407, 2412 and 2424 survive, albeit with no means of self propulsion and no future purpose.
( I had planned for this to be displayed as a table but this was unforthcoming, apologies. If you would like to see the table version, i will attach this link for your ease: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fkbgwn_mhu-t835VGGoZOyuhfYmiB3Gpdt_I6H5KeKw/edit?usp=sharing

Small point of note regarding 442401 DTS 77382 “Donated to the National Collection”, it was originally due to be saved for the National Collection, however it has since been de-listed (unwanted by the NRM). It is now preserved by Northumbria Rail at Eastleigh Works.

 

[Domh245]

in the cases of 4205, 4207 and 4212, they appear not to have worked for GTR either given the last operation dates for those units from 2007

I'm not convinced about the quoted last operation dates - there's plenty of evidence to show 2405, 2407, and 2412 all working for Southern/GTR long after 2007 (filtered to only show pictures taken(!) from 1/1/08 to 1/1/16)

 

[fgwrich]

It seems strange just to leave some units intact but without the motorcoach

Regarding the motor coaches, those left at Eastleigh lost their motor coaches to provide spares for the active SWR fleet. Of course, the sad irony in this is now the ‘active’ SWR fleet are gone themselves.

 

[DanNCL]

I'm not convinced about the quoted last operation dates - there's plenty of evidence to show 2405, 2407, and 2412 all working for Southern/GTR long after 2007 (filtered to only show pictures taken(!) from 1/1/08 to 1/1/16)

That's what I thought, thanks for confirming.

 

[43096]

Much more detail on these sets can be found on the “Blood and Custard” website: https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-5WES-442.html

 

[Nym]

Most of the movements on Bournemouth Depot have been under the locomotive. But...
I suspect the last self powered movement was the AC Traction Prototype 442 419 (I think) in SPZ testing.

 

[fgwrich]

A list i have compiled.

Unit no. Withdrawal date Previous Name Status
442401 07/05/2016 Beaulieu Scrapped at Raxstar Eastleigh* 442402 13/03/2017 County of Hampshire Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442403 02/09/2019 The New Forest Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442404 02/09/2019 Borough of Woking Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442405 15/02/2007 City of Portsmouth Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442406 02/09/2019 Victory Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442407 22/01/2007 Thomas Hardy Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442408 02/09/2019 County of Dorset Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442409 07/05/2016 Bournemouth Orchestras Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442410 02/09/2019 Meridian Tonight Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442411 02/09/2019 The Railway Children Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442412 12/02/2007 Special Olympics Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.
442413 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442414 02/09/2019 - Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442415 05/07/2016 Mary Rose Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442416 31/12/2006 Mum in a Million-1997-Doreen Scanlon Scrapped at SIMS Newport, June 2021
442417 02/09/2019 Woking Homes Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442418 20/05/2016 Wessex Cancer Trust Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442419 02/09/2019 BBC South Today Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442420 02/09/2019 City of Southampton Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442421 26/01/2007 - Scrapped at Eastleigh Works July 2020
442422 02/09/2019 Operation Overlord Scrapped at SIMS Newport
442423 02/09/2019 County of Surrey Scrapped at SIMS Newport 22-23/06/21
442424 20/05/2016 Gerry Newson Motorcoach scrapped, unit stored.​

*442401 DTS 77382 Donated to the National Collection.
It seems then that only 2405, 2407, 2412 and 2424 survive, albeit with no means of self propulsion and no future purpose.
( I had planned for this to be displayed as a table but this was unforthcoming, apologies. If you would like to see the table version, i will attach this link for your ease: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fkbgwn_mhu-t835VGGoZOyuhfYmiB3Gpdt_I6H5KeKw/edit?usp=sharing

Third update of the day:

442407 - Both DTS - scrapped.
442424 - Both in the Scrapline.

 

[59CosG95]

Any further updates to this list?

 

[Towers]

Any further updates to this list?

A picture appeared on Instagram of what looked very much like a complete salvaged 442 cab on a low loader (from U.2424 I think), I understand it may be off to preservation somewhere?

 

[Juniper Driver]

Drove them from 1992 till 2007 but never got a second chance when they came back.
Even had a train failure on one of them in Jan 2007 at Branksome.Door interlock problems.

 

[ExRes]

A picture appeared on Instagram of what looked very much like a complete salvaged 442 cab on a low loader (from U.2424 I think), I understand it may be off to preservation somewhere?

One claim is Northumbria Rail at Bedlington, I don't see any confirmation as yet from their end though