Shouldnt someone be setting up a class 43 preservation society now we know the date when they will begin to disappear from the mainline. They would be excellent locos for rail tour companies and even large preserved railways like the WSR and NYMR.
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Class 43 future preservation?
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ever heard of the 125-group?
their aim is to ultimatly preserve a HST set, HST`s still have some years to go, and even then they will be very expensive to buy
their aim is to ultimatly preserve a HST set, HST`s still have some years to go, and even then they will be very expensive to buy
See here http://www.125group.org.uk/ for the group aiming to preserve a HST. They already have several valenta power units.
GNERman
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you know they will be popular for charters and open access
preservation lines linked to the mainline eg nymr and wensleydale may use them for trips off the railway
preservation lines linked to the mainline eg nymr and wensleydale may use them for trips off the railway
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At least one preserved line has already had a HST visit (in conjunction with Hitachi hybrid testing).
MCR247
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HSTs have been on preserved lines before, but I think he meant kind of where they will stay, like the kettles that they have
Techniquest
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Sure will be a mission to find a home for a 2+8 set when the time comes...
GNERman
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not likely, because of their number, storage locations will be hard to find
long marston, for example, probably couldn't store them all and then theirs the coaches...
43034 The Black Horse
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Ermm, Of course they will be expensive! There was 512 spoons and alot were expensive. All depends on condition and have to say as locos go, they will be in good knick.
As for storage, I have no comment to post.
GNERman
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the leasor will be wanting to get rid of them, why do you think Porterbrook starting scrapping some class 87's in storage and HSBC with 86's?
so if they want to get rid of them then they will be cheap...
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90019
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Unlikely, they'll probably flog them for as much as they can get away with.
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I`d say they`d be more likely to take a loss on them and pay to have them scrapped. That way theres less competition/alternatives and they can keep the lease costs for the replacement artificially high.
But then i`m cynical.
poshbakerloo
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The thing is that the Class 43 run to 125mph, unless someone is gonna build or upgrade any of the 'heritage lines' then they will be stuck at low speeds for ever...
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90019
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I think you'll find that the 42s can only do 90mph max.
It's not about upgrading the heritage lines, it's just that none are allowed to operate at above 25mph (Except one, I can never remember which, which can run at up to 50mph for testing, IIRC)
However, a preserved HST could operate at higher speeds on NR rails, although I'm not sure they would be allowed to do 125mph.
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Why ever not 90019? It's out of 100% curiosity and I can't think of any reasons why?
If a HST is preserved I can't see it being any different to HSTs in service today. Then again, if the HST was run say at load 3, then for braking reasons I doubt it could, but that's down to the load, not because it was preserved.
Phoenix
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Funny how no-one seems to remember 41001 these days it is a HST power car and with a few parts could work again.
what about a five coach set?
GNERman
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I think you'll find that the 42s can only do 90mph max.
It's not about upgrading the heritage lines, it's just that none are allowed to operate at above 25mph (Except one, I can never remember which, which can run at up to 50mph for testing, IIRC)
However, a preserved HST could operate at higher speeds on NR rails, although I'm not sure they would be allowed to do 125mph.
on great central you can do 60 because of double tracking...
not every line will want them for 125 running, just at 25 would be nice...
Phoenix
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The 60 (and upgraded section to 75) are only for testing purposes.
But I honestly believe that when the standards of safety of the next set of preservation prospects comes into play more will be achievable on preserved lines.
Techniquest
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Pass. Depends on what preserved lines want and where the owners want to put it. No point in, say, the Caledonian Railway taking a set if the owners want it further south!
One of the longer preserved lines (WSR and SVR come immediately to mind) would probably be better suited to being the home to a preserved HST purely on the grounds with those two examples at least that they have a mainline connection.
That would be nice to see working again, just a shame it's partner was scrapped. Could it work with an existing HST Powercar?
GNERman
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probably becuase it isn't that different from the current hst's, apart from the front windows 
Geezertronic
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The Class 43's are much better on the eye that the Class 41. One of each running in a set together would look a bit odd though
gordonthemoron
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surely they could flog them to some eastern european country? or are they all electric?
probably becuase it isn't that different from the current hst's, apart from the front windows
and it has a cab at the back if my memory serves correctly
fastest diesel train in the world...!
I think he was enquiring whether the Eastern Europeans were all electric. I think as far as passenger services goes, increasingly the answer is yes, and they're buying lots of new-build stock.
As for the HST's speed record- I reckon that standing as it does has much to do with there being no ratified attempts to break it though both the Russians and Spanish claim to have gone a fair bit quicker. Clear the ECML of other traffic and give the 22x and 180 classes a decent run (with limiters etc disabled), I reckon you might see that record go. We've just not done absolute speed records in this country for a long time.
As for the HST's speed record- I reckon that standing as it does has much to do with there being no ratified attempts to break it though both the Russians and Spanish claim to have gone a fair bit quicker. Clear the ECML of other traffic and give the 22x and 180 classes a decent run (with limiters etc disabled), I reckon you might see that record go. We've just not done absolute speed records in this country for a long time.
poshbakerloo
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It will be so odd having a HST with air conditioned MK3 coaches...what livery would they use? the old intercity?
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