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700007
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This could be a really silly question that may have been asked before, so please forgive me for asking.
Are the GN 387s going to run the core when it fully opens? I imagine it could be helpful filling in when a 700 is not available?
Are the GN 387s going to run the core when it fully opens? I imagine it could be helpful filling in when a 700 is not available?
D365
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Nope, not during regular service for sure. Only the 700s will be fitted with the necessary ATO/signalling equipment.
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Class 170101
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Presumably IEPs are using the HST stop boards?
However do they not also need to show SDO as applicable as unlike HSTs they should not open all doors on short platforms.
No, the ‘5’ board is for IETs
SDO number is shown to driver of 387s so they know how many coaches to do if a manual override is required. The Platform 5 legend provides a similar function for IET drivers.
Door release on HSTs is entirely managed by the guard; thus SDO information at the driver’s stop mark isn’t going to be particularly useful to a guard 6 coaches back...
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But I can see no S Board in that photo I quoted unless I've missed something?
Peter Sarf
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Oh dear I am a confused passenger (you get them on platforms). That clearly indicates to me that I am on Platform 5. But then again is it meant to ? - given all the other stuff next to it.
tsr
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Reminds me of the happy occasion that somebody put up the SDO reminder boards (no longer needed, and generally removed) for conductors working trains at Uckfield Line stations. Unfortunately, for good measure, they then put several boards marked “Open Doors Other Side” in positions only visible from leading driving cabs, from which doors would never be opened - because the driver has nothing to do with it!
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The down platform at Twickenham has has an "open doors other side" board at the (now former since the extensions four years ago)stopping point for as long as I can remember (may even be from NSE days) despite that line never having driver release stock (as far as I'm aware)!
theageofthetra
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What an atrocious piece of signage!
700007
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I am really sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere. In this 176 page strong thread it is obviously going to take too much effort to read thoroughly through all the pages to find the answer.
If ThamesLink 700s are replacing majority of diagrams 387s work, then bar the Kings Lynn and Peak time Peterborough services, what are the rest of the 387s doing? Will they be deployed elsewhere?
If ThamesLink 700s are replacing majority of diagrams 387s work, then bar the Kings Lynn and Peak time Peterborough services, what are the rest of the 387s doing? Will they be deployed elsewhere?
Replacing 365s and lengthening services.
700007
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Not all the 365s are going. It's just the odd numbered ones that are leaving Great Northern.
700007
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So young nonetheless. I imagine they'll be missed as that's half the fleet gone.
Peter Sarf
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Weird. What is the logic in choosing which 365s to keep that ends up with only the even numbered ones staying ?. Surely TSGN would want to keep the 365s with a more recent service history. On the other hand I suppose it is done completely randomly thus ensuring whatever TOC takes over the cast offs gets a fair selection. That then pre-supposes that the cast off 365s are expected to find a new use ?.
adrock1976
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I believe that the original intention was for the odd numbered sets of Class 365s were to go to Great Western Railway. Previously, GWR were meant to receive some Class 319s before the 365s were suggested.
Somebody, somewhere in due course decided to order extra Class 387s for GWR possibly as a follow on or addition to the 27 red Govia Thameslink Railway Class 387s that are commonly seen on the London Victoria - Gatwick Airport and Brighton fictional company "Gatwick Express".
Somebody, somewhere in due course decided to order extra Class 387s for GWR possibly as a follow on or addition to the 27 red Govia Thameslink Railway Class 387s that are commonly seen on the London Victoria - Gatwick Airport and Brighton fictional company "Gatwick Express".
MatthewRead
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It was originally 319's and 365's then 365's and 387's now its just 387's because having a standardized fleet of trains is a much better value for money!
Class 387 would be ideal in 12-car formations to operate the Corby to St Pancras half-hour services via Kettering, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton and Luton Airport Parkway once electrification is complete. Odd numbered Class 365 could then return to GN giving more seating capacity.
Agent_Squash
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Ironing boards too?
I can only imagine GTR wanting rid of the remaining 365s, not getting back those that have already gone, or are going.
Sad as this will be (they are perhaps my favourite trains and the best compromise for short and long-distant use I can think of), the 365s cause issues for GTR in terms of maintenance and other things like dispatch. Bodyside cameras could potentially solve the latter, but I still think that in the future there may well be a move towards getting more 700s as the 365s never even got CCTV, so I can't see more significant modifications happening.
There is an option for follow on orders I believe, so maybe the DfT will look at this? Perhaps that could even result in the 387s going too, and then TL and GN will have just 700s and the 717s. Nice and simple.
This is speculation on my part, but I can't be the only person thinking this. And should this happen, it would hopefully be the time to consider if some of these new build trains should have a slightly different interior layout and alternative seat design?
Sad as this will be (they are perhaps my favourite trains and the best compromise for short and long-distant use I can think of), the 365s cause issues for GTR in terms of maintenance and other things like dispatch. Bodyside cameras could potentially solve the latter, but I still think that in the future there may well be a move towards getting more 700s as the 365s never even got CCTV, so I can't see more significant modifications happening.
There is an option for follow on orders I believe, so maybe the DfT will look at this? Perhaps that could even result in the 387s going too, and then TL and GN will have just 700s and the 717s. Nice and simple.
This is speculation on my part, but I can't be the only person thinking this. And should this happen, it would hopefully be the time to consider if some of these new build trains should have a slightly different interior layout and alternative seat design?
Perfect opportunity to refurbish 365s for GN duties (cameras, seat covers, air con) while they are surplus to requirements, allowing 387 to go to Corby once entire 365 fleet has received the treatment.
But equally if commonality and cost of new fleet would allow follow on order for 700 fleet, then I'd move the existing fleet to inner suburban routes from Luton, St Albans and use new fleet with improved seating for longer distance routes such as Peterborough, Cambridge, Kings Lynn and Bedford. With 387 still moving across to Corby services. Ironing boards on 387 are still more comfortable than those on 700s imho, although they could perhaps re-arrange the internal layout to provide more legroom.
But equally if commonality and cost of new fleet would allow follow on order for 700 fleet, then I'd move the existing fleet to inner suburban routes from Luton, St Albans and use new fleet with improved seating for longer distance routes such as Peterborough, Cambridge, Kings Lynn and Bedford. With 387 still moving across to Corby services. Ironing boards on 387 are still more comfortable than those on 700s imho, although they could perhaps re-arrange the internal layout to provide more legroom.
Islineclear3_1
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For anyone that's interested, 387.170 + 387.174 did a Bletchley - Brighton - Bletchley run today
Kite159
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It's now likely about a dozen GWR 387/1s are going to receive the HEX-factor treatment. But what will they get: Business/First class? New seats, or new seat covers? New on board video displays? Snazzy floor LEDs? More luggage provision? Existing HEX branding or something that fits in with GWR green? So many questions...
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