Class 387

[swt_passenger]

No... you don't ever ask that question.

First rule of RUK, don't ask when 700s enter service.

Especially when in the 387 thread...

 

[AM9]

While the 700s have a better acceleration rate, the Desiro City are supposed to be able to go up to 118mph above which the body shells don't need the spec IIRC.

Back on topic, keep your eyes peel on TL route this week.

If the published information on the 700s is correct, they have a power-to-weight ratio of about 16.3 hp/tonne. That's greater than any non-HS1 trains currently running and their acceleration will probably be compatible with likely paths in between the class 800/801s when they are deployed.

 

[southern442]

First rule of RUK, don't ask when 700s enter service.

I thought the first rule was that 442's are always the answer?

 

[Domh245]

I thought the first rule was that 442's are always the answer?

No, that's rule 68!

 

[southern442]

No, that's rule 68!

Looks like I need to re-read the list then

 

[jon0844]

Especially when in the 387 thread...

People like to find loopholes here, and I found one in some obscure list of rules on the forum*. It says you can't ask when the 700s go into public service in the 700 thread, but it's perfectly acceptable to ask in other threads. In fact, the more unrelated the better.

And of course 442s are indeed the answer to everything, which can be said as often as one wants.

* which I've conveniently mislaid, so you'll have to trust me.

 

[Class377/5]

When will the 700s be entering service...they said a few weeks

I told you every time you ask that question the launch get put back a week. wasn't kidding

If the published information on the 700s is correct, they have a power-to-weight ratio of about 16.3 hp/tonne. That's greater than any non-HS1 trains currently running and their acceleration will probably be compatible with likely paths in between the class 800/801s when they are deployed.

The 700s on AC don't have so much of an acceleration curve as an acceleration line! I remain impressed on just how quick they shift. Think 09 stock but a much bigger/longer train!

 

[AM9]

... Think 09 stock but a much bigger/longer train!

Is that '09 stock' as would be passing under KGX in a pipe that's a few inches over 12 ft in diameter?

 

[class387]

I told you every time you ask that question the launch get put back a week. wasn't kidding

Surely a question can't affect a TOC's plans?

 

[AM9]

Surely a question can't affect a TOC's plans?

It depends who you are asking and what influence they have on the detail of the programme.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

387112+387121 on 07:40 Sutton to Bedford today. Have they been displaced by a 700 going into traffic?

 

[class387]

387112+387121 on 07:40 Sutton to Bedford today. Have they been displaced by a 700 going into traffic?

Isn't there an Electrostar working on the Sutton Loop anyway? Doesn't seem too strange, especially since it is going to Bedford.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

This working then goes on to the Brighton line for the rest of the day and was booked 319 apart from two brief interludes last year when 377s were used. Southern Carriage Working Notice shows this train as 387 but today is the first day that I have come across 387s. Southern CWN also shows some Brighton trains as 700. I was simply putting two and two together.......

 

[phil281]

There have been many more 377s and 387s working on the Sutton line for a while now, especially at weekends.

 

[bengley]

Electrostars on the Sutton loop are a fairly regular thing now, but still rare.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

There have been many more 377s and 387s working on the Sutton line for a while now, especially at weekends.

I'm fully aware of those pre-existing diagrams.

But apart from a short period last year, the 07:40 Sutton to Bedford has remained resolutely 319 operated despite spending the rest of the day on the Brighton main line. I had been given to understand that when the 700s started on the BML, then the diagram involving the 07:40 ex Sutton would go over to 387 operation as alluded to in the Southern CWN.

In short, does anyone know why 2*387 appeared on this morning's 07:40 ex Sutton?

 

[Skimble19]

Rumour has it a 387 is due on the GN any day now and will be out and about over the next few weeks for various tests (dispatch etc.)

 

[jon0844]

Don't they need some drivers first?

 

[physics34]

Rumour has it a 387 is due on the GN any day now and will be out and about over the next few weeks for various tests (dispatch etc.)

still interested to see what the livery plans are. I cant see them running around in white with green doors forever.

 

[Class377/5]

Rumour has it a 387 is due on the GN any day now and will be out and about over the next few weeks for various tests (dispatch etc.)

All will be revealed very very soon. Like this week.
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Isn't there an Electrostar working on the Sutton Loop anyway? Doesn't seem too strange, especially since it is going to Bedford.

Been Electrostar workings on Loop for awhile now.

387112+387121 on 07:40 Sutton to Bedford today. Have they been displaced by a 700 going into traffic?

Stock displacement only. 700 not yet in service.

 

[eusd]

Anyone know what a 387/1 was doing just south of Wembley Central today? Didn't get the number but saw it as I was heading back from Euston this eve.

 

[Class377/5]

Anyone know what a 387/1 was doing just south of Wembley Central today? Didn't get the number but saw it as I was heading back from Euston this eve.

387/1 mods at Bletchley.

 

[Class 170101]

The end to end time is largely irrelevant, but the higher top speed allows a shorter headway for any following train, improving capacity.

Remember it will be raising of minimum speeds that will improve journey times the most. You spend more times at lower speeds than at the 110mph top speed. Aceleration will be better on 377s / 387s compared to 365s which themselves are better than 317s.

 

[JN114]

Remember it will be raising of minimum speeds that will improve journey times the most. You spend more times at lower speeds than at the 110mph top speed. Aceleration will be better on 377s / 387s compared to 365s which themselves are better than 317s.

Indeed, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is end to end journey time has virtually zero impact on capacity - capacity increases (of the ECML as a whole) will come from the higher line speed capability reducing headways for VTEC services following slower GTR services. That's why GTR are likely to put 387s on the Kings Lynn flyers

 

[Class377/5]

Indeed, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is end to end journey time has virtually zero impact on capacity - capacity increases (of the ECML as a whole) will come from the higher line speed capability reducing headways for VTEC services following slower GTR services. That's why GTR are likely to put 387s on the Kings Lynn flyers

Considering the Electrostars are going on all day services that leaves only the King's Lynn services as off peak it'll be the only GN service from Kings Cross.

 

[class387]

Will the 387s enter service on the GN before the full Thameslink timetable and if so, what services will they work?

 

[Class377/5]

Will the 387s enter service on the GN before the full Thameslink timetable and if so, what services will they work?

Electrostars on GN have already been publicly announced as replacing the 317/321 before the end of the year. Once the 700s enter service on GN next year they will transfer to the Cambridge/Kings Lynn services where they are planned to be used wholly from 2018 with perhaps a few peak extras to elsewhere.

 

[grid56126]

Pair of GX branded units heading towards Brighton on:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O02671/2016/06/15/advanced

Was unable to identify them, so anyone else who can it would be appreciated. I am assuming 225/227 that were on the West Coast yesterday?

 

[Class377/5]

I'm fully aware of those pre-existing diagrams.

But apart from a short period last year, the 07:40 Sutton to Bedford has remained resolutely 319 operated despite spending the rest of the day on the Brighton main line. I had been given to understand that when the 700s started on the BML, then the diagram involving the 07:40 ex Sutton would go over to 387 operation as alluded to in the Southern CWN.

In short, does anyone know why 2*387 appeared on this morning's 07:40 ex Sutton?

Just notice you mentioned the Southern CWN. Do not go off that document for Thameslink. Thameslink diagrams will continue to change every few weeks from now until December 2018. The Southern CWN will apply for a max of two weeks at some future point for TL.

 

[Class 466]

This working then goes on to the Brighton line for the rest of the day and was booked 319 apart from two brief interludes last year when 377s were used. Southern Carriage Working Notice shows this train as 387 but today is the first day that I have come across 387s. Southern CWN also shows some Brighton trains as 700. I was simply putting two and two together.......

319219 & 319370 on it today