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jopsuk

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Having used the East London Line a couple of times recently, and having picked up grumbles elsewhere, I've got a couple of questions:
1. Reliability- it may just be perception from NRE/Twitter, but the North/West London Line service seems to be suffering poor reliability, whilst I've not heard similar about the Watford DC and ELR services. Is this a fair perception? If so, any idea why just that line suffering problems?

2. Partly linked- are the Watford and NLL/WLL fleets operationally separate? Or do they operate as a single pool?

As well as the reliability, the other reason I ask 2 is to do with the Underground-style route maps inside the carriages. Oh dear. They're a bit of a, um, mess to be honest. The approach taken with the District C and D stock has been ignored. Instead, all the lines are on one map. On the C-stock, only those District services run by C are shown in full (plus Circle and H&C), with normal interchange symbols used for interchange with other District services. The same goes for the D-stock. This helps reduce confusion on the map.

At the very least, if the dual-voltage stock is a single fleet, the ELL could be treated separately. As could, of course, the GOBLIN. With the current approach, when the extension Phase 2 is completed, there's a risk of Clapham Junction appearing at opposite ends of the map.

For those unfamiliar, this is the current Overground network in geographic form. The ELL is separate (physically at the moment) using DC_only stock. The line from Euston to Watford is at a different level at Willesden. They've tried to display all of that a linear diagram.
 
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The /1s are ELL only as they are only DC. /0s and /2s which will soon just be /2s can be seen on any line, including the ELL.

I suppose its easier to have one map showing all of the routes than separate because the /2s can turn up anywhere
 

jopsuk

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Didn't think the /2s were ever going to operate the ELL unless exceptional circumstances. And neither need GOBLIN in full, as neither can operate there.

If I'm back on one any time soon I'll get a shot of the map. It really is a horrendous mess.

I'm guessing the DLR linear map is about to get rather more messy too, with the new Stratford line.
 

swt_passenger

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Didn't think the /2s were ever going to operate the ELL unless exceptional circumstances.

No, they'll have to use some 378/2s on the ELL.

The original 378/1 order was only sized for the phase 1 ELLX. The subsequent incremantal orders as the further ELL extentions were approved, ie to Highbury (Phase 1A) and Clapham Jn (Phase 2) were all for 378/2s to allow use all over the system.

AIUI (and despite what is shown on some websites), all the LO EMUs are allocated to NXG, wherever they happen to be stabled.
 

notadriver

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I like the 378s. I'm not sure if the average passenger can tell the difference between a 378/1 and 378/2 apart from the numbers on the front.

I think the NLL/WLL is affected by freight moments. That could be why their reliability is low. NLL/WLL don't need DOO cameras so won't be affected by those failures.
 

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I assume there isn't any difference internally between the two subclasses?

And will /1s be fitted with a pantograph in the future?
 

MCR247

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No, as they don't need to be, although it could easily be done
 

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I'm not sure it is needed, but it might make sense
 
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