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Class 378 ‘Capitalstar’ Refurbishment Updates
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Class15
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Good. Hope they can also put more in the new livery, which is so much better than the old one.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Very odd how they suddenly just stopped that.
I wish they’d put the whole front in orange not a mixture of yellow and orange as per the current refreshed examples. Headlights restrict that I know, it’s a shame as they’d look far smarter and match the 710s.
I assume TFL realised it was a pointless, cosmetic exercise that probably wasn't a priority, given their current financial position.
Wasn't it more that they couldn't spare the units from an operational perspective because of 710 delays?
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-378-refurb-and-repaints.215349/#post-5053996
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-378-new-livery.234990/#post-5775805
Probably, but I stand by what I said, unless the units are at a point that they need a repaint, then it's simply a cosmetic exercise that TLF should not be wasting money on, given their current financial position.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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I agree, when you think how much money TfL have put into the London Overground network in terms of consistent branding of stations, the new trains, among other upgrades, it's unfortunate that the 378s are now in disarray somewhat.
The 378's are hardly in disarray, it's a fleet in two different versions of the same livery, unless you're an enthusiast, or very observant, you probably wouldn't notice.
Latest regarding the refresh is that eventually all units will receive new seat covers (same as the ones found in the refreshed units)
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Not a refresh door mate, just one from the stores. We’ve got stacks of them, most of them covered in dust
Wow thanks for the info. In that case it demonstrates how colour fades over time!
m79900
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Mid life? They’re only 14 years old!
Maybe 14 years is a bit early but this article from March suggests that rather than replace the Fleet they will be refurbished instead.
www.mylondon.news
TfL considers replacing over half London Overground trains within next 4 years
The trains were specially built for the dimensions of the Overground network
m79900
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If they get replaced, which I think would be a daft move considering their financial situation, then could they go to Southeastern? They’re in need of modern third rail EMUs, and the 378s are similar to their 376s
Why on earth would TfL buy and then immediately replace a fleet of trains??
I think this should be its own thread
TT-ONR-NRN
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Quite. Ideally in Speculative Discussion.
Can confirm they will not be replaced anytime soon, they have a long maintenance contract left.
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If I remember rightly 378228 is the first unit running around with the new seat covers, obviously I’m not including the already refreshed units.
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If I remember rightly 378228 is the first unit running around with the new seat covers, obviously I’m not including the already refreshed units.
Electrojuniper
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378205 next with new seat covers........ Overhaul commences next year and no plans for 378's to leave Overground.
Class15
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Will the rest of the fleet be re-liveried?
Electrojuniper
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at this point in time - yes.
Class15
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Any photos?
NSEWonderer
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I've always wondered why the yellow can't be blended on the units to declutter the new livery a bit more.
Would add imo a little refresh to them.
Would add imo a little refresh to them.
Class15
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That looks very nice!
NSEWonderer
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Indeed, wouldn't cost much imo for them to update the front. The only issue I can see is they'd have to use brighter or more blueish/ white coloured Bulbs or Leds for the headlights as I doubt the yellowish ones will meet the visibility standard with the orange front.