Class 373 Eurostar withdrawals

[najaB]

Has this video been posted yet? I had a quick look through the thread and couldn't see it.
[youtube]3PYij506zFk[/youtube]

 

[AnonymousUser1]

What do you suggest instead. Gauge clearing every line for every kind of rolling stock that might run on it in the future?

and damn the cost ?

where works that offer the opportunity for reguaging take place it's costed out to do so ...

 

[childwallblues]

and damn the cost ?

where works that offer the opportunity for reguaging take place it's costed out to do so ...

Excellent video. I bet XC were annoyed at the delay to the Voyager.

 

[D365]

Excellent video. I bet XC were annoyed at the delay to the Voyager.

Did you mean to reply to the post above that one?

 

[sprinterguy]

Excellent video. I bet XC were annoyed at the delay to the Voyager.

Yes it caused some chagrin. Any disruption likely to have been caused by the shunt was compounded by the late running of the outgoing and subsequently the incoming Kingsbury tanks that morning, too. I'm surprised that they managed to find the space for both the lengthy tank train and a full 400 metre Eurostar set in the yard, to be frank.

Also, and I apologise if this has already been covered pages and pages back, as I've heard it reported that the Eurostar had to be lifted off the track vehicle by vehicle by a crane as it entered EMR's premises (the shunt neck within the scrapyard strikes me as falling well short of the 400m required to accommodate a complete Eurostar set), does anybody know how long that process took? It doesn't sound like a quick procedure.

 

[59CosG95]

Does anyone know which set's next to face the axe, and when?

 

[childwallblues]

Does anyone know which set's next to face the axe, and when?

Well I have seen a photo in RAIL of 3013/14 stored on the disused Fawkham Junction to Southfleet Junction line in Kent. Perhaps it will be that one.

 

[The Planner]

Yes it caused some chagrin. Any disruption likely to have been caused by the shunt was compounded by the late running of the outgoing and subsequently the incoming Kingsbury tanks that morning, too. I'm surprised that they managed to find the space for both the lengthy tank train and a full 400 metre Eurostar set in the yard, to be frank.

They probably just kept propelling back up towards Birch Coppice and ignored the sidings. The video basically replicates the move the oil trains make. It should also be used to try and get the place sorted out, there is a scheme drawn up which never gets anywhere due to the cost of it. It is a joy to timetable......

 

[sprinterguy]

It is a joy to timetable......

Yeah, it occurs to me every time early morning Crosscountry workings/ECS are slowed up by the late running Kingsbury tanks that it must be 'fun and games' to plan such moves in the first place.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

3019/20 is expected to be on a scrap run on 2nd December.

 

[59CosG95]

3019/20 is expected to be on a scrap run on 2nd December.

No paths in for that on RTT yet.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

No paths in for that on RTT yet.

True... and the first movement was somewhat delayed wasn't it?

 

[RichmondCommu]

I would have been bloody annoyed if I'd been sat on that Voyager waiting for the Eurostar to be shunted in. Why on earth didn't they wait until the line was less busy i.e. in the middle of the night?

 

[Domh245]

I would have been bloody annoyed if I'd been sat on that Voyager waiting for the Eurostar to be shunted in. Why on earth didn't they wait until the line was less busy i.e. in the middle of the night?

I think that was the original plan, but there was a fair amount of delays en route that gave rise to that situation

 

[The Planner]

It is no different to when the tank trains go belly up which isnt that rare.

 

[59CosG95]

Path for the next unit is now in. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01687/2016/12/02/advanced

 

[The Planner]

1V44 is going to get battered if that goes to schedule.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

It appears to be 3003/4 going tonight, not 3019/20.

 

[Peter Sarf]

It appears to be 3003/4 going tonight, not 3019/20.

I have just seen, leading up to 23:05 on 02/12/2016, at St Pancras. Loco 66767 backing down on to a Eurostar pair at St Pancras platform five about 22:00. The Eurostar half sets 373020 to the North with 373019 to the South looked quite grubby and out of use with some graffiti. The coupling arrangement is made of lots of bits supported on the ends of the 66s buffers and pulled back onto the draw bar/hook. I watched about six engineers assemble it at the North end of platform five after the 66 arrived about 22:00. By 23:05, when I left, the 66 was coupled to the Eurostar with two air/brake/whatever pipes. So looked ready to go.

Ironic that there were HSTs milling about that are roughly twice the age of these electric trains !.

 

[Roast Veg]

Currently (04:22) watching them uncouple and recouple the translator elements at Knighton junction, not due to leave for another 40 minutes but I can see why they've been allocated so long to turn around! Even got a wave from a couple of the crew

 

[tjlrailblue]

hi where can you get a view of knighton junction? is this the just south of leicester one???

cheers


Tim

 

[tnxrail]

66757, 373020 & 373019 at Tamworth:
https://youtu.be/-B_asNSQAb8

 

[yorksrob]

In Modern Railways it states "It's thought that Eurostar's preference is to have the 373's broken up so that a competitor cannot use them".

Seems a bit naughty to me if this is the case.

 

[coppercapped]

In Modern Railways it states "It's thought that Eurostar's preference is to have the 373's broken up so that a competitor cannot use them".

Seems a bit naughty to me if this is the case.

When DB dropped the Interregio services a decade ago, it did the same thing. It scrapped perfectly good stock so any open access operators couldn't get hold of them - although the official reasons were different.

In any case the 373s belong to Eurostar, so it can do want it wants with them.

 

[59CosG95]

When DB dropped the Interregio services a decade ago, it did the same thing. It scrapped perfectly good stock so any open access operators couldn't get hold of them - although the official reasons were different.

In any case the 373s belong to Eurostar, so it can do want it wants with them.

All the ones that have gone so far seem to be in the /0 subclass, which implies they were Eurostar's own in the first place. The /1s are SNCB's and the /2s SNCF's IIRC.

 

[cj_1985]

All the ones that have gone so far seem to be in the /0 subclass, which implies they were Eurostar's own in the first place. The /1s are SNCB's and the /2s SNCF's IIRC.

Roughly translated as the ones we paid for

 

[yorksrob]

Roughly translated as the ones we paid for

Quite. One would have expected Gmt to step in, but I suppose Eurostar is a bit of an international mish mash.

 

[Domh245]

Quite. One would have expected Gmt to step in, but I suppose Eurostar is a bit of an international mish mash.

Why would the Government step in when they sold all the shares to a consortium of an infrastructure company and a Canadian pensions scheme a few years back?

 

[Mordac]

Why would the Government step in when they sold all the shares to a consortium of an infrastructure company and a Canadian pensions scheme a few years back?

I'm guessing he means the CMA.

 

[yorksrob]

Why would the Government step in when they sold all the shares to a consortium of an infrastructure company and a Canadian pensions scheme a few years back?

Arguably they shouldn't have sold the shares in the first place, but whether or not central government wishes to retain a stake in a railway company, publicly funded assets such as rolling stock shouldn't be allowed to be destroyed on the whim of a TOC for commercial reasons.
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I'm guessing he means the CMA.

Yes, I think they would have an interest in this. Particularly in a comparatively undeveloped market such as UK - Europe railway services. It would arguably be more worth their while facilitating competition in this area, than for example ECML services which already enjoy a high degree of competition.