Class 321 storage/scrapping

[59CosG95]

I'm sure this has been discussed previously but what was the purpose of this one going to Wolverton?

Transformer change.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Transformer change.

Hopefully one has been salvaged from another unit or were the original ones replaced when the traction package was upgraded to 3 phase.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 18/05 5A71 1442 Ilford - Wolverton 37800 321306
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00699/2022-05-18/detailed

 

[warwickshire]

STP 18/05 5A71 1442 Ilford - Wolverton 37800 321306
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00699/2022-05-18/detailed

How come 321306 has gone to Wolverton?

 

[class321]

Hopefully one has been salvaged from another unit or were the original ones replaced when the traction package was upgraded to 3 phase.

Wait so would it have the old 321 motor?

 

[GEC465]

Transformer replacement if I'm correct

I'm sure this has been discussed previously but what was the purpose of this one going to Wolverton?

 

[physics34]

all 5

Thanks

 

[rich78]

When are they expecting to have all the 720s in service? I am guessing the plan is still for all the Renatus units to be stood down presuming they have ordered enough 720s to cope.

 

[JonathanH]

When are they expecting to have all the 720s in service? I am guessing the plan is still for all the Renatus units to be stood down presuming they have ordered enough 720s to cope.

There are more 720s still to enter service than 317s and 321s in use which suggests it is obvious the 720s will cope.

 

[rich78]

Interesting thanks. I always thought that was the plan but I had heard wispers that the order had been changed but this is obviously not the case.

Do we know when the delivery of the 720s is likely to be complete by?

 

[Avidfan]

Also of note. Possibly another one on 549L 1449 ilford E.M.U.D Depot to wolverton centre. Move taking right now. Wonder what this one is for and is it this time around maybe storage?
321326 was main transformer repair.
However another one might? Have arrived today.

Both transformer changes

 

[warwickshire]

Both transformer changes

Thanks for the update.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Interesting thanks. I always thought that was the plan but I had heard wispers that the order had been changed but this is obviously not the case.

Do we know when the delivery of the 720s is likely to be complete by?

The 720/5s are really rather close to having all been accepted; the 720/1s are now starting to arrive. I think only one has entered service. When all are accepted then Greater Anglia’s entire stock replacement should finally be complete.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Lots of 321's stabled at Clacton today and not a 720 in sight. On my visit, there was an 8-car set ready to depart for Liverpool Street

Think I read somewhere here that their lease expires at the end of the month...is this true?

 

[D365]

Hopefully one has been salvaged from another unit or were the original ones replaced when the traction package was upgraded to 3 phase.

Why does it matter where the component is sourced from?

 

[Wivenswold]

The 720/5s are really rather close to having all been accepted; the 720/1s are now starting to arrive. I think only one has entered service. When all are accepted then Greater Anglia’s entire stock replacement should finally be complete.

It's a long way off. There's about 25 x /5s at Worksop that have to go back to Alstom for quality control purposes before commencing mileage accumulation.
With only 64 out of 133 units in service since Dec 20, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that it will be at least a year before all of the 720s are in service.

I think it's already been said here but there's not a chance the Renatus 321s will be withdrawn until later this year especially as GA are still running a reduced peak service.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

It's a long way off. There's about 25 x /5s at Worksop that have to go back to Alstom for quality control purposes before commencing mileage accumulation.
With only 64 out of 133 units in service since Dec 20, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that it will be at least a year before all of the 720s are in service.

I think it's already been said here but there's not a chance the Renatus 321s will be withdrawn until later this year especially as GA are still running a reduced peak service.

With the reduced service now seemingly the norm GA will break even on units required before they have all 133 on the books though.

 

[JonathanH]

Think I read somewhere here that their lease expires at the end of the month...is this true?

Even if it is true, and there is some information in the public domain to suggest it is, it doesn't mean the lease can't be renewed. There aren't yet enough 720s available to eliminate the remaining 321s (and 317s).

 

[Jturner98]

Is there any news about the 321s being withdrawn yet? Is there a rough date, I suppose at this rate the 317s are due to go first

 

[Class360/1]

The ROSCO says the Renatus' are due to go summer-autumn. a shorter timescale for the northern bins

 

[rich78]

Travelled back on one of the Northern Bins this evening. A big contrast to the

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720s. In terms of noise when all the windows are open

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But no sign of them disappearing yet

 

[JonathanH]

But no sign of them disappearing yet

Won't be long now for the Northern units with the suggestion that 317s are basically finished.

 

[Wivenswold]

Won't be long now for the Northern units with the suggestion that 317s are basically finished.

The 317/5s are stood down so yes the 317s are about to retire. I think GA will want the Northern units gone asap too but I think there's less pressure on GA to hurry the Renatus units off to Ely's Train Retirement Home.
Most passengers think they're new trains, they're in GA's branding and pretty reliable. Plus, so many 5 car services need doubling while GA are forcing their 75% timetable on us.

 

[43096]

The 317/5s are stood down so yes the 317s are about to retire. I think GA will want the Northern units gone asap too but I think there's less pressure on GA to hurry the Renatus units off to Ely's Train Retirement Home.

I’d suggest the 321s and 322s are less likely to go to Ely. Ely has been almost entirely used by Angel, whereas the Bins are Eversholt owned.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I’d suggest the 321s and 322s are less likely to go to Ely. Ely has been almost entirely used by Angel, whereas the Bins are Eversholt owned.

And therefore will be sent straight for scrapping like Southern's 455's ...

 

[Class360/1]

Unless more go to the Swift project or preserved. The latter is unlikely though.

 

[adrock1976]

Unless more go to the Swift project or preserved. The latter is unlikely though.

May I ask what is the Swift project please, as I have not seen any mention of it?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

May I ask what is the Swift project please, as I have not seen any mention of it?

See this thread:

4 x Class 321's to be converted for Swift Express Freight

Haven't seen a thread on this but Eversholt Rail and Gemini Rail Group announced on 18th November that 4 321's are to be converted to parcels use and introduced around February 2022...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[adrock1976]

See this thread:

4 x Class 321's to be converted for Swift Express Freight

Haven't seen a thread on this but Eversholt Rail and Gemini Rail Group announced on 18th November that 4 321's are to be converted to parcels use and introduced around February 2022...

www.railforums.co.uk

Thank you very much.

 

[Jturner98]

According to a group on Facebook 322481 and 321901 have now both been withdrawn. They are expected to go for scrap in a week or so.