Class 321 storage/scrapping

[Babybirdrobin]

Today 305 and 321 left Ilford seemingly toward Wembley, any idea of what and why?

 

[Class15]

Today a 305 and 321 left Ilford seemingly toward Wembley, any idea of what and why?

I saw this pair at Camden Road Jn heading towards Gospel Oak turning right after Camden Road station. I couldn’t find the schedule but it seems like it stopped in Wembley yard. 321321 was leading.

 

[Geml246]

I noticed passing Ilford EMUD today, that there are 2 x 321 units back again over on the back road, so did 305/321 come back from Wembley or are they 2 other units ?

 

[DBS92042]

I noticed passing Ilford EMUD today, that there are 2 x 321 units back again over on the back road, so did 305/321 come back from Wembley or are they 2 other units ?

321342 appears to have gone from Northampton Up TC Sdgs, could that have gone to Ilford with another Varamis unit?

 

[wickham]

Passing Wembley yard yesterday (29.08.24) many of the stored 321s (but not all) had their pantographs up, so would appear to be still live. It seems that the situation does change so perhaps somebody is looking after them !

 

[Numbskull100]

Passing Wembley yard yesterday (29.08.24) many of the stored 321s (but not all) had their pantographs up, so would appear to be still live. It seems that the situation does change so perhaps somebody is looking after them !

They are stored next to our relief point (freight trains) and the Wembley reception roads. Can confirm they are pan up and alive. Also, there is full time security there too with cameras and motion sensors near them.

 

[Geml246]

321342 appears to have gone from Northampton Up TC Sdgs, could that have gone to Ilford with another Varamis unit?

Just come past Ilford again and it is definitely a pair of Renatus units there

 

[DBS92042]

Just come past Ilford again and it is definitely a pair of Renatus units there

Yep you're right. 321342 now reported to be in the Willesden PRDC/Wembley area. At Ilford is 321321 and the other is currently UID

 

[Class15]

Yep you're right. 321342 now reported to be in the Willesden PRDC/Wembley area. At Ilford is 321321 and the other is currently UID

It’s 305.

 

[43096]

At Ilford is 321321 and the other is currently UID

321305. Presumably both still awaiting handback to Eversholt.

 

[Babybirdrobin]

Random question about the non-PRM 321 units, does anyone have a date of last operation on the Southminster line, just interested as being local to it I found a very gentle transition but can't recall when last non-PRM and last 321 operated, does anyone know when these were?

 

[warwickshire]

Thursday 03rd October 2024, This is going to be one to watch out for its on
www.realtimetrains.co.uk, Website.
Also the old rail record Website, as well.

Thursday 03rd October 2024
1. 5Q76 1009 Ilford Emud to Newport Docks simms scrap move.

321305 321321 first of the Retanus 321s to be scrapped? Possibly, because at Ilford it is the only thing that comes to mind as everything else there is all new stock.

Plus it is nearly two years now since, 321301 321324 went into store at Wembley, plus it's been about a year and a half since the final Retanus 321s, have been active.

Probably the Retanus 321s time is up and Newport Simms beckons, looks like sadly no more interest or future for them.
What a waste of money spent in refurbishment on them,

 

[Jamesrob637]

Thursday 03rd October 2024, This is going to be one to watch out for its on
www.realtimetrains.co.uk, Website.
Also the old rail record Website, as well.

Thursday 03rd October 2024
1. 5Q76 1009 Ilford Emud to Newport Docks simms scrap move.

321305 321321 first of the Retanus 321s to be scrapped? Possibly, because at Ilford it is the only thing that comes to mind as everything else there is all new stock.

Plus it is nearly two years now since, 321301 321324 went into store at Wembley, plus it's been about a year and a half since the final Retanus 321s, have been active.

Probably the Retanus 321s time is up and Newport Simms beckons, looks like sadly no more interest or future for them.
What a waste of money spent in refurbishment on them,

When they could've been put to good use at Northern or ScotRail

 

[warwickshire]

Random question about the non-PRM 321 units, does anyone have a date of last operation on the Southminster line, just interested as being local to it I found a very gentle transition but can't recall when last non-PRM and last 321 operated, does anyone know when these were?

Non prm, would have been just before the December 2021, timetable change, even then there was a only a few left, sadly covid saw a massive number go around January 2021, either to Newport Simms for scrap, or Store Gascoigne Wood, or Store Worksop,.

Around 27 Non Prm units survived to May 2021 Timetable change then around 21 Non Prm units, survived to December 2021 timetable change, however as 720s came more available and out and about, from October 2021 to December 2021, Non Prm 321 did demise fairly quickly, however a few did cling on to around December 2021, timetable change, so the final non prm 321, on Southminster would be early December 2021, before timetable change, however unsure myself of the final such unit to run at that time ie, number wise, but once again early December 2021, for the final Non prm 321, to run in passenger service to Southminster.

 

[D365]

When they could've been put to good use at Northern or ScotRail

Depends if Northern or Scotrail were at all interested.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Realtime Trains | 1M04 1734 Mossend Down Yard to Birmingham International | 02/10/2024

Real-time train running information for 1M04 1734 departure from Mossend Down Yard to Birmingham International on 02/10/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is running yet not running!

 

[warwickshire]

Wednesday 02nd October 2024
As reported on Old Rail Record Website.

OH72 1047 Derby Rtc Network Rail to Wembley H.s

37800 on its way most likely to collect 321305 321321 as reported above for Tommorow Thursday 03rd October 2024.
For onwards scrapping to Newport Simms
Most likely,
As we know it's always 37800 37884 the two Europhenix/Rail Operations Group 37s
That are capable of doing the 321 Scrap Moves

 

[Class15]

5Q76 hasn’t left yet. All hope is not yet lost!

 

[robert west]

5Q76 hasn’t left yet. All hope is not yet lost!

At stratford now running 46 mins late

 

[Class319&373]

321305 only attached to 37800

 

[AlistairCowell]

Unit 321321 is next in line then, won't be long before meeting its fate.

 

[Cumberland Gap]

Believe 18 units at Wembley Yard

 

[warwickshire]

Wednesday 09th October 2024

On www.realtimetrains.co.uk and old rail record Website, maybe this week a change of fortune, diesel dragged also.

5J18 1259 Wembley Db cargo A and B Sidings to Wolverton Centre Sidings for further storage.

It's possible Varmis Rail may have purchased some Retanus 321s for further use, however at the moment, into further storage they go, but this maybe only a possibility, however only thing I can think of that would move from Wembley to Wolverton, if anyone else has any further information please it would be much appreciated

It's also possible some Retanus 321s are needed, maybe Varmis Rail, are taking over extra mail rail services, due to those lost from Royal mail 365 ending,

But then again is this just another move for storage for possible use elsewhere ?.

Thank you

Warwickshire

 

[Doomotron]

I haven't looked at this thread very much so I don't know what the overall state of the fleet is. Roughly how many 321s have been scrapped, if any? And out of those, are any of them Renatus units?

 

[ScotRail158725]

I haven't looked at this thread very much so I don't know what the overall state of the fleet is. Roughly how many 321s have been scrapped, if any? And out of those, are any of them Renatus units?

1 renatus so far which went last week

 

[Merle Haggard]

For some time, 4 321s have been stored in the Up sidings North of Northampton station. Last Saturday, I noticed that one had been moved to the next track further back from the running lines, and by this morning it had gone. It was the basically blue one.

 

[Silverlinky]

For some time, 4 321s have been stored in the Up sidings North of Northampton station. Last Saturday, I noticed that one had been moved to the next track further back from the running lines, and by this morning it had gone. It was the basically blue one.

5Z00 shows in the system as having moved on Monday 7th, 1306 Northampton Up Sidings to Wembley Inter City depot. 321334 was the blue one. There would appear to be a 5Z01 return trip booked tomorrow evening (2038 departure from Wembley)

 

[Merle Haggard]

5Z00 shows in the system as having moved on Monday 7th, 1306 Northampton Up Sidings to Wembley Inter City depot. 321334 was the blue one. There would appear to be a 5Z01 return trip booked tomorrow evening (2038 departure from Wembley)

Thanks - looks like it (or another similar) will be back, so not off to Newport.
I think (not sure) that the other 3 321s sometimes have the pans up. One of them is a 321/4, a reminder of the good (???) old days at Northampton...

 

[DBS92042]

Thanks - looks like it (or another similar) will be back, so not off to Newport.
I think (not sure) that the other 3 321s sometimes have the pans up. One of them is a 321/4, a reminder of the good (???) old days at Northampton...

Those three should be 321339/341/440 and are currently stored in an unconverted state, awaiting Varamis Rail to justify converting them

321334, prior to this week, had been unmoved at Northampton since May 2024

The other Varamis 321s (321342/407/419/428/429) are all currently operational and will be located somewhere between Willesden PRDC and Mossend Yard

 

[D365]

Those three should be 321339/341/440 and are currently stored in an unconverted state, awaiting Varamis Rail to justify converting them

Unless Varamis stakes a claim for the 325s, but that’s a discussion for a different thread.