Class 315 and Class 316

[43021HST]

Where did the 315/316s operate?

 

[EM2]

I don't know about 'did' but 315s still operate NXEA services out of Liverpool Street to Shenfield and Chingford, amongst others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_315

Class 316 was a designation used for two different testbed units, an ex-307 with new traction equipment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_307#Class_316_Testbed_unit and a conversion from ex-210 stock for use as a Networker prototype http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Classes_316_and_457

 

[43021HST]

Would they operate on the South Coast

 

[CCF23]

Where did the 315/316s operate?

Don't mean to be funny but there isn't a class 316 and 315 operate the mainly suburban routes on the great eastern and west anglia routes out of Liverpool Street operated by national express east anglia.
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Would they operate on the South Coast

No that is former London Overground and Southeastern class 313's, these are similar to the 315's but a couple of years older.

 

[EM2]

Would they operate on the South Coast

Definitely not, as they are 25kV AC units.

 

[Aictos]

Here's one for you, say BR had the requirement for 4 car versions of the 313 - would they have automatically become 316s?
With them being used on NLL services mainly and for GN services to Broad Street, that's if the NCL remained a LUL line and BR never took it over.

 

[CCF23]

Here's one for you, say BR had the requirement for 4 car versions of the 313 - would they have automatically become 316s?
With them being used on NLL services mainly and for GN services to Broad Street, that's if the NCL remained a LUL line and BR never took it over.

Take it depends on what year they were being planned for being built, 313's were built in 1976, 314's from 1979, 315's 1980 and 317's from 1981.

Anyway why wouldn't they have been given 313/2's like the 377 units of which 377/3's are 3 car whereas the rest of the fleet are 4 cars

 

[Juniper Driver]

315's were and probably still are based at Ilford,they were very early in their lives when I was a cleaner at Ilford Carriage Sidings in 1982 and Hornsey? now?

 

[Aictos]

315's were and probably still are based at Ilford,they were very early in their lives when I was a cleaner at Ilford Carriage Sidings in 1982 and Hornsey? now?

315s are only seen at Ilford now, I think the 315s left Hornsey when WAGN split into two separate franchises although it should never had happened!

 

[Juniper Driver]

315s are only seen at Ilford now, I think the 315s left Hornsey when WAGN split into two separate franchises although it should never had happened!

Didn't know that as im at Waterloo and I have the 455's to keep me occupied.

 

[CraigS]

Here's a couple of shots (not mine) of a couple of the class 316 test beds:

316997 @ http://railwayphotos1981-2000.fotopic.net/p55591694.html
316999 @ http://michaeljcollins.fotopic.net/p42084627.html

 

[Aictos]

Didn't know that as im at Waterloo and I have the 455's to keep me occupied.

Just in case you were wondering, the ! was aimed at the DfT decision to split the former WAGN franchise up and not at your question.

 

[thefab444]

No that is former London Overground and Southeastern class 313's, these are similar to the 315's but a couple of years older.

Southeastern never operated any Class 313s, these were the DC-only version; Class 508, which were also used by London Overground (in small numbers), but predominantly by Merseyrail.

When delivered, the Class 508s were in four coach formation, used on South Western division suburban services out of Waterloo, but they were soon displaced by the Class 455s, although some of the trailer coaches from the 508s were used to strengthen 455/7s to four coaches rather than the three as built.

 

[Helvellyn]

Was there any plans for a production Class 316? seems odd that there was the jump from 315 to 317, and I wondered if there was consideration to there being another 313-315 style unit that would have filled the gap.

Also, anyone know why there was no Class 301?

 

[90019]

Also, anyone know why there was no Class 301?

Weren't they prototype EMUs that didn't survive long enough to get the TOPS classification?

 

[jopsuk]

They were indeed- initially classified AM1. 302 through 311 were also initially (pre-TOPS) AM2 through AM11- I assume standing for AC Multiple Unit?.

I would think the assumption about the jump from 315 to 317 would be correct, though I'm not quite sure what would fill it- other than perhaps a four car dual voltage variant? I know now the convention is to give different length units of the same (or very similar) design sub class numbers, but the 314/315 and 317/318 (not mention the 321/322) show that this hasn't always been the case.

 

[delt1c]

Weren't they prototype EMUs that didn't survive long enough to get the TOPS classification?

301 was the ex (LNWR) Euston DC units converted to 25kv AC and used to trial 25kv operation using the Lancaster to Morcambe and Heysham line. Scrapped before TOPS and surprisingly the route dewired.

 

[mbonwick]

301 was the ex (LNWR) Euston DC units converted to 25kv AC and used to trial 25kv operation using the Lancaster to Morcambe and Heysham line. Scrapped before TOPS and surprisingly the route dewired.

Not really - after Beeching the number of trains down to Morecambe/Heysham really didn't justify the wires. Besides - there were no leccy units to use.