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Class 313 on southern test.

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Dennis

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Apologies if I'm talking ar$e, but I thought train doors had to be a different colour to the main bodyside livery so that visually impaired people would know where they are. Isn't the fact that the carriage ends are the same colour as the doors, as clearly demonstrated here, going to confuse those with poor vision?
 
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It's confusing indeed. Is sending a complaint to Southern an option? Perhaps they will change the door colour into dark green when enough people complain about it?
 

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well I think its nice but then i dont have poor vision but then again i think an all black train with cream leather seats would be great and a convertable roof lol.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the livery - just thought the doors had to be distinctive.

Covertible train...what a great idea; it's a concept which could put an end to all this heads out malarky at a stroke.
 

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Apologies if I'm talking ar$e, but I thought train doors had to be a different colour to the main bodyside livery so that visually impaired people would know where they are. Isn't the fact that the carriage ends are the same colour as the doors, as clearly demonstrated here, going to confuse those with poor vision?

Tbh even if you are visually impared its quite obvious which is a door and which isn't from this colour scheme. And anyway i think with 313s all the doors open when the train arrives.
 

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I'm not sure if it comes under Rvar (Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations), but the section on doors is copied below, from DfT website:
4(1) Each passenger doorway in the side of a regulated rail vehicle shall be indicated clearly by doors (excluding any window in or control device on the doors) rendered to contrast with the exterior of the vehicle to each side of that doorway.

Design need

People with a visual impairment often have great difficulty in finding the external doors of a rail vehicle within the time available to board. This regulation ensures that the doors are clearly highlighted through the use of contrast so that passengers can locate them more easily. Contrast may be achieved by use of a different colour. This requirement applies equally on vehicles where doors are always operated automatically or by crew, because people with a visual impairment still need early warning of where doors are situated.

Application

"Contrast" is defined in regulation 2(1) - see page 13. "Rendered" refers to applied 'colour', whether through the use of paints, vinyls, sheet metals or any other material that is used to create a 'coloured' appearance or contributes to the overall visual clarity of the doors.

Operators and manufacturers should ensure that the techniques they use do not result in light reflectance that is uncomfortable on the eye. They are therefore strongly discouraged from using materials that cause glare, such as metallic paint or other non- standard gloss finishes which could nullify the benefits of colour contrast.

There is no prescription relating to the actual colours which may be used in achieving a good level of contrast. It is the way in which those colours are combined to contrast with each other which requires careful consideration. Further detailed guidance on contrasting colours can be found in Appendix A. Where any new and untested techniques are proposed, operators would be advised to consult DTLR.

The use of graphics, or all over body advertising, should generally be avoided as these can detract from the clarity of the livery and cause visual confusion. Where, however, operators wish to use the design of a sponsor on the external surface of the vehicle, or indeed within the vehicle itself, no element of the graphic should detract from the contrast of the doors.
 

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Really the doors do stand out compared to the rest of the carriage. Sandwiched between the darker green of the windows and the white.
 

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These are the diagrams for the summer TT. The details dont tab correctly into columns. First time is departure, second arrival, third running number .....the last figure on each line is the mileage.


DIAGRAM : BI701 SX Fleet 313/1
Start Date : 24/05/2010 End Date : 10/12/2010

OFF

Bton LWS 05+30 5E01 0.70
Brighton 05+51 05.57 2E01 20.70
Littlehampton 06.42 07.22 2E18 20.70
Brighton 08.11 08.23 2K63 11.40
W Worth 08.51 08+52 5K63 0.50
W WorthMS 08+54 09+06 5E30 0.50
W Worth 09+08 09.09 2E30 11.40
Brighton 09.38 09.44 2E15 1.50
Hove 09.47 09.54 2E32 1.50
Brighton 09.58 10.14 2E17 1.50
Hove 10.17 10.24 2E36 1.50
Brighton 10.28 10.44 2E19 1.50
Hove 10.47 10.54 2E40 1.50
Brighton 10.58 11.14 2E21 1.50
Hove 11.17 11.24 2E44 1.50
Brighton 11.28 11.44 2E23 1.50
Hove 11.47 11.54 2E48 1.50
Brighton 11.58 12.14 2E25 1.50
Hove 12.17 12.24 2E52 1.50
Brighton 12.28 12.44 2E27 1.50
Hove 12.47 12.54 2E56 1.50
Brighton 12.58 13.14 2E29 1.50
Hove 13.19 13.24 2E60 1.50
Brighton 13.28 13.44 2E31 1.50
Hove 13.47 13.54 2E64 1.50
Brighton 13.58 14.14 2E33 1.50
Hove 14.17 14.24 2E68 1.50
Brighton 14.28 14.44 2E35 1.50
Hove 14.47 14.54 2E72 1.50
Brighton 14.58 15.14 2E37 1.50
Hove 15.17 15.24 2E76 1.50
Brighton 15.28 15.44 2E39 1.50
Hove 15.47 15.54 2E80 1.50
Brighton 15.58 16.14 2E41 1.50
Hove 16.17 16.24 2E84 1.50
Brighton 16.28 16.44 2E43 1.50
Hove 16.47 16.54 2E88 1.50
Brighton 16.58 17.14 2E45 1.50
Hove 17.17 17.24 2E92 1.50
Brighton 17.28 17.53 2E47 1.50
Hove 17.56 18.01 2E96 1.50
Brighton 18.05 18.17 2F19 16.90
Seaf 18.58 19.02 2F86 16.90
Brighton 19.34 19.40 2F23 16.90
Seaf 20.16 20.28 2F92 16.90
Brighton 21.09 21+15 5F92 0.70
Bton LWS 21+35 WASH
STABLD


WORKS

Loaded 182.80 Empty 2.40 Total Mileage 185.20


DIAGRAM : BI702 SX Fleet 313/1
Start Date : 24/05/2010 End Date : 10/12/2010

OFF

Bton LWS 05+10 5F00 702(1)\703(2) 0.70
Brighton 05+33 DETACH
Brighton 07.10 2F41 16.90
Seaford 07.50 07.58 2F42 16.90
Brighton 08.35 08.45 2F47 16.90
Seaf 09.18 09.25 2F48 16.90
Brighton 10.00 10.10 2F53 16.90
Seaf 10.46 10.58 2F54 16.90
Brighton 11.30 11.40 2F59 16.90
Seaf 12.14 12.25 2F60 16.90
Brighton 13.00 13.10 2F65 16.90
Seaf 13.46 13.58 2F66 16.90
Brighton 14.30 14.40 2F71 16.90
Seaf 15.14 15.25 2F72 16.90
Brighton 16.00 16.10 2F77 16.90
Seaf 16.46 16.58 2F78 16.90
Brighton 17.30 17.40 2F83 16.90
Seaf 18.19 18.26 2F84 16.90
Brighton 19.00 19.08 2F89 16.90
Seaf 19.50 19.58 2F90 16.90
Brighton 20.33 20.40 2F95 16.90
Seaf 21.16 21.28 2F96 16.90
Brighton 22.09 22+16 5F96 0.70
Bton LWS 22+36 WASH
STABLD


WORKS

Loaded 338.00 Empty 1.40 Total Mileage 339.40

DIAGRAM : BI703 SX Fleet 313/1
Start Date : 24/05/2010 End Date : 10/12/2010

OFF Miles from Fuel

Bton LWS 05+10 5F00 702(1)\703(2) 0.70
Brighton 05+33 DETACH
Brighton 05.45 2F00 16.90
Seaf 06.21 06.30 2F36 16.90
Brighton 07.03 07.22 2L95 8.00
Lewes 07.37 07.58 2D90 8.00
Brighton 08.14 08.22 2L61 8.00
Lewes 08.37 08.46 2D92 8.00
Brighton 09.02 09.10 2F49 16.90
Seaf 09.47 09.58 2F50 16.90
Brighton 10.30 10.40 2F55 16.90
Seaf 11.14 11.25 2F56 16.90
Brighton 12.00 12.10 2F61 16.90
Seaf 12.46 12.58 2F62 16.90
Brighton 13.30 13.40 2F67 16.90
Seaf 14.14 14.25 2F68 16.90
Brighton 15.00 15.10 2F73 16.90
Seaf 15.46 15.58 2F74 16.90
Brighton 16.30 16.40 2F79 16.90
Seaf 17.14 17.25 2F80 16.90
Brighton 18.00 18.08 2F85 16.90
Seaf 18.40 18.44 2F22 16.90
Brighton 19.15 19.22 2L83 8.00
Lewes 19.37 19+40 5F28 6.60
Nhvn Mar 19+57 20.15 2F30 6.60
Lewes 20.31 20+34 5F30 8.00
Brighton 20+50 20+54 5F30 0.70
Bton LWS 21+14 WASH
STABLD


WORKS

Loaded 317.00 Empty 16.00 Total Mileage 333.00



DIAGRAM : BI704 SX Fleet 313/1
Start Date : 24/05/2010 End Date : 10/12/2010

OFF

Bton LWS 04+10 5F32 0.70
Brighton 04+30 04+38 5F32 16.90
Seaf 05+04 05.09 2F32 16.90
Brighton 05.48 06.00 2L99 8.00
Lewes 06.15 06.26 2D00 8.00
Brighton 06.42 06.52 2F39 16.90
Seaf 07.29 07.33 2F40 16.90
Brighton 08.07 08.13 2F45 16.90
Seaf 08.46 08.57 2F46 16.90
Brighton 09.30 09.40 2F51 16.90
Seaf 10.14 10.25 2F52 16.90
Brighton 11.00 11.10 2F57 16.90
Seaf 11.46 11.58 2F58 16.90
Brighton 12.30 12.40 2F63 16.90
Seaf 13.14 13.25 2F64 16.90
Brighton 14.00 14.10 2F69 16.90
Seaf 14.46 14.58 2F70 16.90
Brighton 15.30 15.40 2F75 16.90
Seaf 16.16 16.26 2F76 16.90
Brighton 17.00 17.10 2F81 16.90
Seaf 17.46 17.58 2F82 16.90
Brighton 18.30 18.38 2F87 16.90
Seaf 19.15 19.19 2F24 16.90
Brighton 19.55 20.10 2F91 16.90
Seaf 20.44 20.58 2F94 16.90
Brighton 21.30 21+42 5F94 0.70
Bton LWS 22+02 WASH
STABLD


WORKS

Loaded 370.90 Empty 18.30 Total Mileage 389.20
 

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313xxx (in southern livery and 313108 (silverlink livery) passed clapham junction to stewarts lane at 13.30 today :)
 

acg5324

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313xxx (in southern livery and 313108 (silverlink livery) passed clapham junction to stewarts lane at 13.30 today :)


It was 313203.

Also 313101 and 313109 formed 5B07: 12+47 Selhurst to Lovers Walk yesterday, the trains passed each other just north of East Croydon.:D
 
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