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Any idea what are the workings of the fully refurbished Southern 313s please?

At the moment, Monday - Friday only: Brighton - Seaford, Brighton - Hove and one morning journey Brighton - Littlehampton and Brighton - West Worthing.

From December, nothing is set in stone but one would assume they will run the stopping Brighton - Portsmouth trains, the full Brighton - West Worthing and Brighton - Eastbourne services as well as the Bognor Regis shuttle.

 

[wyvfe1]

I saw one passing New Southgate on Thursday 21/10/2010 13:06 being hauled northbound.

 

[Fincra5]

At the moment, Monday - Friday only: Brighton - Seaford, Brighton - Hove and one morning journey Brighton - Littlehampton and Brighton - West Worthing.

From December, nothing is set in stone but one would assume they will run the stopping Brighton - Portsmouth trains, the full Brighton - West Worthing and Brighton - Eastbourne services as well as the Bognor Regis shuttle.

Brighton-Eastbourne Is a no, that is planned to stay as 377s. Brighton-Portsmouth might also be a no for 313s. But we shall find out.

 

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Brighton-Eastbourne Is a no, that is planned to stay as 377s. Brighton-Portsmouth might also be a no for 313s. But we shall find out.

I'm just going by the December timetable change page on the Southern website that says, "Further services will be operated by Class 313 units between Brighton, Seaford and Eastbourne."

Another route to add would be the Brighton - Lewes hourly shuttles. Surely these will go over to 313s?

 

[ukrob]

The best internal refurb of any PEP-based unit, hands down. My only complaint would be the window frames, which could do with replacement.

Southern's uses a great balance of colours and the addition of armrests and carpet means it easily beats Merseyrail's refurb. Theirs are looking tatty inside and out thanks to a lack of care. Let's hope Southern look after them!

Can't agree with that all.

The most recent Merseyrail refurb was five years ago now, so of course they look tatty compared to something which was refurbished a month ago!

Lets see how that carpet looks in five months, never mind five years before we decide what looks tatty.

 

[swt_passenger]

Can't agree with that all.

The most recent Merseyrail refurb was five years ago now, so of course they look tatty compared to something which was refurbished a month ago!

Lets see how that carpet looks in five months, never mind five years before we decide what looks tatty.

The carpet in the seating areas of all the SN 377s seems to have lasted ok, they've got the same set up with a hard floor in the vestibules and carpet in the rest.

 

[GearJammer]

I saw one passing New Southgate on Thursday 21/10/2010 13:06 being hauled northbound.

Was it being hauled by 66404 by any chance? I seen one of these 313's being hauled through Peterborough Northbound on the same day!

 

[jon0844]

The carpet in the seating areas of all the SN 377s seems to have lasted ok, they've got the same set up with a hard floor in the vestibules and carpet in the rest.

Do they (377s, not 313 which is the subject of this thread) also have the hard floor by the toilets (at least the disabled toilets)? Some 365s have this, while others have carpet (like they changed their mind part way through the refresh programme). I am not sure which I prefer, mind.

Carpet does improve the overall look and feel of a train, and can be very long-lasting. As long as it's washed and hoovered regularly, it will be fine to look at too. If you also put fabric on the lower part of the walls, it can make a train look more 'homely' and less like a mass-transit tube train.

 

[aspierail]

I think its a good refurbishment however im not to keen on the seats though.

 

[387star]

Same seats as in class 377/4 inner coaches

 

[507 001]

And yet the Southern ones still look better IMO. Indeed many of the internal panels were removed on the Merseyrail units, but I'm not sure just how much better that was. Of course the internal coupler doors were replaced, but that's still quite limited work. Merseyrail units haven't had the windows touched either, which is a pretty major flaw.

Cost-wise Merseyrail spent some £33 million on refurbishing 59 units, Southern £6 million on 19. That cost Merseyrail about £560,000 per set and Southern about £316,000. I'd say given the relatively small difference in appearance between the two, that's quite a good saving from Southern.

I wouldn't say those on Merseyrail improved much in terms of cleanliness actually - faded seat moquettes that don't wear well. Having said that, they're a lot better inside than out: they're probably the worst kept trains in the country externally.



Pantographs are being removed at Stewarts Lane as part of the refurbishment programme. The first eight units to Lovers Walk (101/202/203/204/205/207/108/212) retained their pantographs; those to arrive after have lost them.

Thanks for the info on the panto's, doesn't seem much point in removing them, but I suppose saves on maintenance.

But I have to disagree entirely on the refurb being better than the merseyrail one, all this is, is new seats, a fancy carpet and a CIS.

But everbody is entitled to an opinion

Oh and the windows dont appear to have been touched on the 313's? nout wrong with good ol' Beclawats!

I still think its nice though!

 

[Fincra5]

I think the removal of the pantograph has something to do with the Busline added.

 

[Evvy73]

Same seats as in class 377/4 inner coaches

Not quite - the 'inner seats' don't have the arm rests - although the actual seats do look very similar.

I think the arm rests are an excellent addition - it stops the 'larger' passengers spilling over to your seat and in the process crushing you against the wall (or pushing you into the central corridor).

My only concern from this video is that there doesn't appear to be much leg room, so you could still find yourself having to 'lock legs' with the person opposite, although it doesn't look as bad as the 319s which are a nightmare when they are packed!

 

[andy13]

They do look good. Unfortunately I'm the only person in the world who preferred the low back seating and the associated increase in visibility.

i also prefer the low seats 3 x 2