Class 195 potential allocations

[northwichcat]

I'd have thought additionally that one will serve Mirfield (probably the Hull) with the Leeds terminator calling at Deighton and Ravensthorpe. Stops between Mirfield and Leeds will depend on the stopping pattern of the Northern 170 service between Leeds and Southport via Dewsbury and Brighouse though.

How many calls at stations TPE and Northern will do can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/northern-rail-2016-rail-franchise-agreement
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transpennine-express-2016-rail-franchise-agreement

Network Rail did consultation on the stopping patterns between Manchester and Huddersfield and the conclusion was Greenfield and Marsden for one service and Mossley and Slaithwaite for the other was the best option. For people in Marsden and Slaithwaite the idea of a direct service to Leeds was apparently a lot more attractive than a direct service to the next village when there's a much more frequent bus service.

I do recall a mention of one station getting served by TPE in one direction and by the Northern Southport service in the other direction.
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I believe a mod has been carried out to the 185s to allow the doors on the front 4 coaches to be released, rather than unit deselct as previous. Would the platforms at the intermediate shacks be long enough for 4 coaches? Of course, I suppose it is possible that there will be lengthening.

Not 4 x 185 carriages without lengthening. With formations longer than the platforms the position of the signals is also a consideration.

 

[lejog]

The Northern franchise agreement includes Manchester-Huddersfield services at peak times:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/501847/arn-tsr-schedule-3-tsr2-weekdays.pdf

So where are they going to go after Huddersfield if they won't terminate there?

Leeds?? While this is probably me being extremely hopeful, this would enable the following peak hour service as hinted at by the Calder Valley interactive maps at the time of the franchise announcement to run.

- the 170 stopper from Southport to Leeds be routed via Bradford instead of Dewsbury.
- the Chester Northern Connect to run via Brighouse and fast from Brighouse to Leeds.
- the stopper from Victoria to Huddersfield extended to Leeds calling at the stops omitted by the fast Chester service.

I would be the first to admit that there's nothing in the TSRs that says the Northern are obliged to run this service pattern, but they have been carefully worded to allow Northern to do so if they wish. The TSRs mandate that the Liverpool and Manchester Airport services must run to /via Bradford. The Chester and Southport services must run between Hebden Bridge and Leeds, route unspecified. While Northern must provide services at stations between Mirfield and Leeds (excluding Ravensthorpe and Batley) the origin of the train is not mandated.

 

[boby32]

What do people think the allocations will be for the 55 x class 195 trains supposedly set to work the diesel Northern Connect services? Been thinking about it myself and come up with this:

Blackpool to York: 7 x 195 diagrams
Man Airport to Barrow: 5 x 195/0 or 195/1
Man Airport to Bradford: 4 x 195/0 or 195/1
Man Airport to Liverpool via Warrington: 3 x 195/0 or 195/1
Liverpool to Bradford: 4 x 195/0 or 195/1
Chester to Leeds: 5 x 195/0 or 195/1
Nottingham to Bradford: 6 x 195/0 or 195/1
Sheffield to Lincoln: 4 x 195/0 or 195/1

So that's 38 diagrams so far..do any of them look a bit stretched and have I missed any routes off? Assuming 6 or 7 units will be kept aside for maintenance, this will still leave around 10 units spare. Can we expect the doubling up of a few services or could some non-Connect services have 195s working them?

Also, which routes are more likely to get 3-car units, or doubled up units?

The Man Airport to Liverpool via Warrington will be an hourly service and my assumptions and only assumptions are that

1) this service will be only 3 class 195/0 since this service is not a very long distance (roughly 1 hour).

2) Long distances or peak time could have doubled units.

Are there any class 331 allocation yet?