Techniquest
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Always prefer 158s to 170s. After all, I do like to call 170s 'TurboRats'.
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Class 158 versus Class 170
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Have to be a 158 for me, although the 170's are excellent. The 158's just win it for me for having more thrash.
carlwestwood
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couldnt agree more. With the 158s, it depends however how well theyve been maintained in the past... such as the ex-central ones (mentioned before).... some of those are shockingly crap
Ex-transpennine however are just the job :grin:
Dennis
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I think it depends on which variant!
Chilterns 168s are pretty good as are Southerns 171s and Scotrails 170s but some of the central 170s have been awful.
I think its the same with the 159s which are good compared to FGW 158s which are fairly awful.
I'm surprised people say that 170s struggle to reach 100 mph as the 171s hold 90 mph even on the up gradients of the Brighton Main Line (90 being their max authorised speed).
Chilterns 168s are pretty good as are Southerns 171s and Scotrails 170s but some of the central 170s have been awful.
I think its the same with the 159s which are good compared to FGW 158s which are fairly awful.
I'm surprised people say that 170s struggle to reach 100 mph as the 171s hold 90 mph even on the up gradients of the Brighton Main Line (90 being their max authorised speed).
Though the refurbished ones are very nice - lovely padded seats!
16CSVT2700
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I wouldn't be surprised if the 171s have altered gearing allowing them to run a max speed of 90mph but get up to it quicker and hold it better.
I'm not so sure about the 170s having 75mph bogies.. why would a unit designed to run at, and be passed to run at 100mph and only have 75mph bogies? It doesn't make sense.
Turbostar
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SWT 158s IMO, are the best, as they are comfy, they're clean, they're tidy.
Respite
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158's are just great everyday units, do everything they are supposed to do & more. Most as said are suffering due to the way the TOC's use rolling stock these days. i.e. run everthing into the ground & replace with cheap stuff more often than actually looking after what they have already. (same thing happens with 66's on the freight side).
Our 158's are just getting enough attention to keep going, some of them are getting very tatty inside. They kind of got ignored a bit when we got 175's as they were thought to be the next best thing, now they have proven how awful they are it seems our 158's are getting a bit more attention again. The ex central & scotrail ones we had a few years ago were absolutly shocking. They had been well & truly run into the ground. Thankfully we only had them whilst the ongoing 175 problem's were patched over.
170's well there a tad too bland for my liking, kind of like a mondeo car. Get's you from A to B, but isnt' special or really that nice. Also the seating/door layout favours chavs & other d*ckheads who can basically take over a whole section & ruin it for everyone else.
When they have been used & abused for as long as the 158's have then I think you will be able to compare the two better. I will also predict that the 170's either won't last as long as the 158's have or will be a lot worse off than them. Like our 175's, the LM 170's around my way are all falling apart inside already. The new build of 170's looks to be even worse due to the new bogies they will be using.
Our 158's are just getting enough attention to keep going, some of them are getting very tatty inside. They kind of got ignored a bit when we got 175's as they were thought to be the next best thing, now they have proven how awful they are it seems our 158's are getting a bit more attention again. The ex central & scotrail ones we had a few years ago were absolutly shocking. They had been well & truly run into the ground. Thankfully we only had them whilst the ongoing 175 problem's were patched over.
170's well there a tad too bland for my liking, kind of like a mondeo car. Get's you from A to B, but isnt' special or really that nice. Also the seating/door layout favours chavs & other d*ckheads who can basically take over a whole section & ruin it for everyone else.
When they have been used & abused for as long as the 158's have then I think you will be able to compare the two better. I will also predict that the 170's either won't last as long as the 158's have or will be a lot worse off than them. Like our 175's, the LM 170's around my way are all falling apart inside already. The new build of 170's looks to be even worse due to the new bogies they will be using.
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