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Class 120 DMUs

JRHurst

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I grew up near Blackpool in the 1980s, at the time the class 120 DMUs took over from class 104s on Blackpool - Manchester Victoria trains, ahead of the 150/2 revolution in 1987. My interest has been sparked by this shot near Poulton-le-Fylde which I took on a dodgy 110 camera and which AI has made more presentable.

I think the 120s came to the LMR from the WR in the early 1980s, but what services had they been working there and what had displaced them?
And what are your memories of these sets. Blue smoke, ponderous acceleration and over zealous heating are my abiding memories.

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Note the varying window spacing, presumably to match closely to the interior seating layout. There's a coachbuilding skill we seem to have lost.

Here is a rarer location for one of these:

1974-05 Swindon DMU Grosmont.jpg
 

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I remember them having little mini buffet counters, although the only journey I recall on one would be late 1970s and between Nuneaton and Leicester. The buffet counter had a mirror on the side of it in what would nowadays be called the mid-century style
 

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I remeber them replacing 104s on the Lincoln- Derby route when it was extended to Crewe in the mid-1970s. More comfortable (for what was a nearly 4 hour journey of only 100 miles!) but a much more restricted view out the front!

Reading the link Belfastmarty priovided it seems their WR operations were largely in the Birmingham-Oxford-South Wales area, based at Tyesley (a WR depot until 1963) and Cardiff, on similar serviecs to those operated by the GWR's original railcars.
 

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The 120's that came to NH came from a variety of depots, Laira, Inverness and Derby. They generally replaced the 3 car 104's which were reduced to 2 car 104's, which allowed the Cravens 105's (and NH's other oddballs 100/105 to be replaced) -eventually. They were also de-classified, so some even better seats in the old 1st class!
The 120's that came from LA (51575 series) were used on all sorts of WR services, including branch lines, the 120's that came from Inverness had previously been based on Aberdeen-Inverness(but from memory didn't stay long at NH and were shifted elsewhere), whilst the Derby ones had been used on all sorts of routes out of E.Midlands.
They were definitely heavier than the 104's, nowhere near as quick off the mark, but had comfotable seats!!
 

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I remember them on the Birmingham Derby line in the mid 80's and from memory, did not seem as noisy at top speed as say the 116. Also the speedo was between the two front windows so could see if the cab blinds not down. Think by that time, there were the 101 trailers as the 120 ones like the 110 trailers had been scrapped.

I heard the two car sprinter replacement at the time was not well received by commuters due to overcrowding.
 

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Hello, I remember my early exploits at Stapleton Road Station as many Fridays as I was allowed (until the mail train came through then home in time for the Incredible Hulk) in the very late 70s and early 80s when I was always on the lookout for a 2-window dmu coming down the hill! My recollection is that the dmu services from Cardiff were becoming increasingly turned into regular Portsmouth-Cardiff services with 31s, then 33s so may well have been a source of units in the NW.
 

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I remeber them replacing 104s on the Lincoln- Derby route when it was extended to Crewe in the mid-1970s. More comfortable (for what was a nearly 4 hour journey of only 100 miles!) but a much more restricted view out the front!
I also remember them from the Lincoln-Nottingham-Derby-Crewe route during the 1970’s. I remember the comfortable grey seats and the orange curtains.
 

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I also remember them from the Lincoln-Nottingham-Derby-Crewe route during the 1970’s. I remember the comfortable grey seats and the orange curtains.
One of them had the distinction of being the very last train into Lincoln St Marks, on 11th May 1985. I was there, but not on it - I was on the first train over the new spur (an HST) the next afternoon though.
 

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Also used on the substitute Crewe - Cardiff service from 1970 when the NW / SW trains were diverted via Birmingham. The first time I travelled the route in 1974 the buffets were still in operation. I also remember them on the Crewe - Lincoln service - they would take an absolute age to climb the gradient on the Harecastle Deviation (Kidsgrove).
 

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In the 1960s and 70s the 120s did a lot of runs based from Bristol. They were a regular appearance on Weymouth and Southampton/Portsmouth services. Weren't they bought for the Bristol stage of the GW dieselisation project?
 

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2 car 120 sets were used on the Central Wales line when I was a youth - excellent units , nice and warm in winter and had the luxery of orange window curtains. Very nice and I enjoyed a couple of illegal cab rides ! (the 108 replacements were inferior - but the poor 120's had asbestos - which caused their demise)
 

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2 car 120 sets were used on the Central Wales line when I was a youth - excellent units , nice and warm in winter and had the luxery of orange window curtains. Very nice and I enjoyed a couple of illegal cab rides ! (the 108 replacements were inferior - but the poor 120's had asbestos - which caused their demise)
As 3-car sets the120s used to crawl at near walking speed up Evershot bank, so I can see why they were reduced to 2-cars in Wales.
Also that middle trailer with the disused mini-buffet was a waste of space and weight. It got used as a buffet on seaside trips in the 1960s, but not later.

The orange curtains were probably the originals.....I wonder if they ever got washed?
 

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Thinking about it, it was probably a 120 I was on as a child in about 1976 which hit a cow somewhere near Caersws. My clear memory is that it only had two windows at the front, and we all took turns looking through until the driver put the blinds down.
 

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Travelled from Aberdeen to Inverness on one of these in 1979 with my long-suffering grandmother. I think it had an open buffet and it definitely had a tablet catcher.
 

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I also remember them from the Lincoln-Nottingham-Derby-Crewe route during the 1970’s. I remember the comfortable grey seats and the orange curtains.

Yes, and when the first class accommodation was downgraded I always used to try and get one of the single seats in it. This photo is at Lincoln St Marks:

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Sorry to say I don't have dates for any of these photos of 120s, but this one at Lincoln St Marks still has the yellow stripe above first class:

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At some point the centre cars were replaced by centre cars from Metro-Cammell units (can't remember the class no.) as just about can be made out in this one at Welshpool:
DMU at Welshpool 1980s.jpg
 
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I missed their Blackpool paths by 2-3 years; as my BEng course was at Preston in 1989.

I saw them at the end of their ScR duties; I have a sole (1988) example on 35mm at Glasgow Queen Street. I caught up with a few more, at MC Metals, in 1990.

My acquaintences were more with the class 119, their Gloucester RC&W cousins.
 

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A class 120 is probably the first train I travelled on between Loughborough and Leicester and back a few times in the 1960s with me dad. But the highlight has to be the very big train of three or possibly four of them (ok I thought it was four, but someone on here said three max, and to be honest, it was 1973 or 4 and I don't remember that well) Derby Cardiff and back on a Merrymaker. I think it was the day I got a really carp instamatic photo of western firebrand on the wheelathe at Canton. Oh, I've lived! :D
 

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I think the 120s came to the LMR from the WR in the early 1980s
The first Swindon Cross Country transfers from the WR to the LMR were in May 1969 based at Derby Etches Park.

The LMR used these to gradually string together various local services to create 2 long distance cross country routes, Crewe-Lincoln St Marks and Birmingham-Cambridge/Norwich.

I remember the Swindon Cross Country units at Cambridge in the early 1970s, and have travelled on them throughout Birmingham-Cambridge more times than I would like!

At 175 miles Birmingham-Norwich I think is the longest daily through journey worked by first generation DMUs. Between 1970 and 1977 most Birmingham-Norwich trains were Swindon Cross Country units.
 

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They were still working around the Bristol area in the early to mid 80s when I was spotting there. I wouldn’t say common but not rare either. Think I recall one on the Severn Beach line.

They were quite distinctive, a shame none were preserved (other than possibly a trailer car?) but I think the dreaded asbestos doomed them.
 

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Why did Swindon design their own cab for these? Seems a strange thing to do when the Gloucester units which were also built for the same job on the WR using more or less the same plans used standard Derby cabs.
 

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Why did Swindon design their own cab for these? Seems a strange thing to do when the Gloucester units which were also built for the same job on the WR using more or less the same plans used standard Derby cabs.
Derby cabs were not 'standard' as such, Swindon had built units for Scotland (and some early ones for Birmingham-Cardiffs) around the same time, if not earlier- don't forget the early lightweight Derby cabs were different, there were also Met-Camm cabs, BRCW cabs, Park Royal cabs, Gloucester cabs, Cravens cabs. Other such as Pressed Steel & GRCW did use Derby cabs though.
 

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Why did Swindon design their own cab for these? Seems a strange thing to do when the Gloucester units which were also built for the same job on the WR using more or less the same plans used standard Derby cabs.
We discussed this before, unlike other BR Regions every build of dmu for the WR (BR Derby, Gloucester, Pressed Steel, Birmingham RCW) was specified with the Derby cab (which I believe were actually built at Derby and supplied to the contractors) apart from the WR's own build at Swindon.

They were initially run on the WR from Cardiff, Tyseley and Bristol, from where they ranged far and wide, although not to London, in conjunction with the comparable Gloucester-built units which were to the same layout and drawings (apart from the cabs!). The ones at Tyseley passed to the LMR and later came to the longer distance services elsewhere there. Bristol also had suburban units, although not a lot of suburban services, and seemed to use them indiscriminately, with a suburban unit being sent to Weymouth while a 120 ran to Severn Beach.

A WR final batch was built later, with 4-character indicators, and ran from Plymouth, these had a couple of runs to Taunton when the intermediate stations were still open on the main line, where they might just catch sight of the older Bristol-based units but never seemed to overlap duties.

The interior layout was notably poor, with an oversized van space, a buffet that was hardly ever used (I never saw it so), and excessive first class for the services they ran. They really only had two cars-worth of standard class seating. I wonder if substituting the Met-Cam trailers in some sets was about increasing seating (albeit 3+2) and improving power-to-weight ratio.

Mentioned above is the separate small batch also built for Aberdeen to Inverness, fitted with Manson's tablet exchange equipment (possibly off a steam loco), which because the cab was single-manned were fitted at the guard's door, who was responsible for the exchange, following which there were a series of special buzzer codes to the driver about how well it had gone, pasted up by the door and still there long after the automatic exchange had been given up, and some of the cars transferred far away.
 
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Why did Swindon design their own cab for these? Seems a strange thing to do when the Gloucester units which were also built for the same job on the WR using more or less the same plans used standard Derby cabs.
Swindon already had the tooling for those cabs, as they were identical with those for the non-gangwayed end of the InterCity units (Class 126 and the 79xxx units that preceded them), the first of which were built in August 1956 (SC79098/99). The original 1954-design upright Derby cab was replaced with the familiar raked design, which first appeared in October 1956 on a class 114 (E50001/E56001)
(Data from Longworth)

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They were quite distinctive, a shame none were preserved (other than possibly a trailer car?) but I think the dreaded asbestos doomed them.
Can't find any mention of any class 120 vehicles being preserved, although a number of Class 126 trailers were.
 

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Can't find any mention of any class 120 vehicles being preserved, although a number of Class 126 trailers were.
The excellent Railcar website quotes one buffet car - foot of this linked page

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Ah - the post and link by JKF covers it too. :)
 

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