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Astro_Orbiter

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Hi all, how many class 08 shunters are there still about in yards and depots in the UK? It's incredible they're still able to be viably used still, but how long can they continue to run? Its a wonder no battery or modern diesel shunter hasn't taken their place yet.
 
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Hi all, how many class 08 shunters are there still about in yards and depots in the UK? It's incredible they're still able to be viably used still, but how long can they continue to run? Its a wonder no battery or modern diesel shunter hasn't taken their place yet.
For as long as they are needed, and spare parts are available - sometimes by cannibalising other members of the class. Rather than buy new locos, I think the operators are increasingly more likely to use "train" locos (e.g. Class 66) to do most of their own shunting where possible.

The introduction of liner & block freights and the end of most "trip working" greatly reduced the need for dedicated shunting locos
 

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Hi all, how many class 08 shunters are there still about in yards and depots in the UK? It's incredible they're still able to be viably used still, but how long can they continue to run? Its a wonder no battery or modern diesel shunter hasn't taken their place yet.
On the last point, we do have a modern contender in the form of the Clayton / Beacon Rail Class 18 - a Hybrid loco predominantly running off battery power but fitted with a small JCB engine. I think though, that it is a testament to their design that the 08s & 09s have lasted this long. Simple, almost bombproof locos really - if a little, at times, temperamental. But then again I've not worked with any small shunting loco that isn't!

 

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The Severn Valley Railway with Birmingham university are converting an old 08 to battery/hydrogen power
under the Harrier project, video from 2021.
Not sure if there are any 2022 updates?
 

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As much as the 08 and 09 fleet have and continue to do well I can't help but feel the Class 18 would be an excellent replacement given its greener credentials. A little government help could see a widespread replacement of heritage shunting locos with a host of good PR surrounding it and the hybrid loco idea.

Peak Forest would overly benefit from a pair given currently the shunters used are heavy freight locomotives provided by Direct Rail Services. I assume that however is due to the proximity of the other terminals such as Tunstead Quarry and wagons moving between the two but surely a Class 18 would handle that.
 

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As much as the 08 and 09 fleet have and continue to do well I can't help but feel the Class 18 would be an excellent replacement given its greener credentials. A little government help could see a widespread replacement of heritage shunting locos with a host of good PR surrounding it and the hybrid loco idea.

Peak Forest would overly benefit from a pair given currently the shunters used are heavy freight locomotives provided by Direct Rail Services. I assume that however is due to the proximity of the other terminals such as Tunstead Quarry and wagons moving between the two but surely a Class 18 would handle that.
I don't believe there is much, if any, interchange between rival quarries. However, what the shunters DO have to do, is move fully loaded trains (up to 2400 tonnes) out of the loading bays into the holding sidings ready for dispatch. This would be beyond the capacity of an 08.

At least they have got rid of the awful 56s which created their own fog in the valley to such an extent that local councillors threatened a campaign to remove freight from rail to road to remove the problem.
 

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Shunting locos tend to have long lives due to them being simple machines with low maintenance requirements, operating at low speeds hence low annual mileages.

It's not just here that old shunters hang around - Metra in Chicago until last year operated a 1939-vintage EMD SW1 switcher, the oldest non-preserved diesel loco in the US at the time. They still use a 1946 SW1 today.
 
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