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I'm afraid I'm not old enough to really remember the pre-privatisation days.

THE ANGRY reaction to this week’s announcement of inflation-beating fare rises shows just how little the current train franchise system has succeeded in winning the hearts and minds of travellers. Incomplete privatisation has left us between two stools, with the result that calls for renationalisation grow louder every year.

The long-term solution, however, lies not in state ownership, but in putting the trains, tracks and stations fully back into private hands and beyond the reach of government. This could herald the return to the subsidy-free and profitable system we had in the 1930s, but overseen by a twenty-first century regulator.

In defence of the train operating companies, their record in raising investment capital, increasing passenger journey numbers, and improving services has been far in excess of what the old nationalised British Rail could ever have delivered. Making up for nearly half a century of badly-directed investment, which coincided with a massive expansion of car ownership and domestic air travel, was always going to be an arduous challenge for these firms.

Some progress has been made. Although they remain high, taxpayer rail subsidies are starting to fall, at £4bn in 2012-13, down from a peak of £7bn a few years ago. And more can certainly be done to publish real-time data on capacity per train, delivering better pricing structures which reduce over-crowding. Freight has been the most successful element of privatisation – now subsidy free and competitive.

But there can be no serious discussion about the UK’s trains without addressing the large and growing net debt of Network Rail – the body that owns and operates Britain’s rail infrastructure. In 2004, its net debt stood at £15bn. Today it is £32bn. It has recently been added to the government’s balance sheet and is forecast by the Office for Rail Regulation to grow to £50bn by 2020. By 2029, one-third of Network Rail’s budget will be spent on debt repayments.

This has only been able to happen because the interests of the train operators – as non-owners of the infrastructure – are not aligned with the cost-effective use of the track, and there is little commercial pressure for Network Rail to bring this debt under control. Setting track access charges on a much more commercial basis would be a useful start.

But standing in the way of reform is a rail bureaucracy that gets between the train companies and their customers, turning the franchise holders more into government-facing than customer-facing organisations. This “rail blob” is a coalition of civil servants, railway unions, engineering companies, train builders, lawyers and consultancies, who draw up hugely complex contracts, micromanage, over-engineer and often fail to see beyond their sectional interests. Apart from having very high transaction costs, the franchise system strengthens the ability of government to meddle, and stifles the opportunity for price discovery, investment and innovation within a franchising period.

Confronted with this complexity, there is a radical solution. In exchange for auctioning, selling off or even giving away the track and stations of Network Rail to the train operators, government could write off the outstanding debt and reduce annual subsidies to zero.

This would be a bold move, establishing regional monopolies which own the tracks and run the services. But everything we have tried since the 1930s has been flawed. Going back to what worked well then is worth a try.

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Well, the railways weren't profitable in the 1930s. There were already discussions about nationalisation before the war (especially from the LNER).

EDIT - to add, the whole point of the Grouping was to make the railways more efficient, as the system at the time, with a multitude of private companies running individual systems, was complicated, inefficient, and making substantial losses for many companies.
 
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The closest railways have been to a fully commercial basis in the modern era was in the first few years of privatisation. I wonder what that led to...
 

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I don't know if the solution is correct, but the analysis of the problem is largely spot on.
 

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It's utter garbage (and factually incorrect in some of the detail).

The long-term solution, however, lies not in state ownership, but in putting the trains, tracks and stations fully back into private hands and beyond the reach of government. This could herald the return to the subsidy-free and profitable system we had in the 1930s.

We could have a subsidy-free and profitable system if we really wanted, but the price for this would be closure of all unprofitable routes.

The railways in the 1930s faced somewhat less competition from roads and airlines, something the article neglects to mention, oddly.
 

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It's true that the current set-up is inadequate, but a complex system such as the railway requires some oversight and planning, so no, the solution isn't correct.
 

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The 'heyday' of railways in the UK was probably in the years leading up to WW1. After that, the huge boost road transport got with the availability of lots of cheap ex-WD trucks and drivers started to affect marginal railway routes. The 1923 grouping was a political compromise as an alternative to nationalisation, driven by the poor financial state of some of the railway companies, so that the stronger ones rescued the weak ones (and as EM2 points out, the LNER was never a very strong company financially).

If nationalisation hadn't happened, the pruning of the system down to a profitable core would probably have been much more drastic than Beeching proposed....
 
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Recreating and vertically integrating the big four might not be a bad way of running the railway. As for being subsidy and gmnt interference free, total cloud cukoo land I'm afraid.

De-regulation would be an unmitigated disaster (the decline of bus transport ever since should be a warning)

City AM seem to be based in London with City types as their as their target audience. Will they change their minds when unprofitable services around London are inevitably cut (these free market types inevitably think of unprofitable railway services as being in the back of beyond, but the reality is evening services, some routes, even whole franchises in the South East at certain times, aren't profitable). Presumably they still want all the infrastructure improvements in the South East, even though on a strictly commercial basis, even South Eastern farepayers with their high cost season tickets wouldn't be able to fund them all.
 

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It's not April 1 is it? The author clearly has no clue on the history of railway finances and the current financial set up of the railways and the huge external influences that have lead to passenger growth which started before privatisation.

Imagine how City AM would have kicked off if government hadn't intervened to stop Railtrack collapsing and the worlds financial centre woke up one morning to find its means to get to work closed!

Still if were back in the utopian 1930's them the Victorian Railway and Canal Traffic Acts would apply and there would be no commercial freedom he longs. Ignorance personified.
 

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Oh I don;t know. If we reduced the rail network to the size this report suggested I'm sure you could fully privatize it without subsidy

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Serpell001.pdf

Have a look at Options A, B C2 and C3 in particular (page 69 onwards) and see what nearly happened!

Funny to think that the Uckfield Branch, subject of so many discussions on other threads here would have been one of the very few lines to survive under option B which would have seen no services at all to Exeter, Plymouth or anywhere in Wales apart from Newport and Cardiff
 
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Nonsense article with rose-tinted views of the 1930s companies that were struggling to retain traffic and keep their financial heads above water. After the war they were on their knees and had to be rescued by the state.

City AM as the title suggests is a paper that serves the City of London and presumably believes in free markets and that profits come above all else.

Its views should be taken in that context and disregarded.
 

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It is a continual red herring that privatisation cuts costs - it just shifts them somewhere else. It is no longer a case that the country can't afford to have decent public transport, it is now a case that it can't afford NOT to.
 

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As I understand it, the Southern and GWR were reasonably profitable during the Grouping due to the fact that they served generally more well-to-do areas, had extensive holiday traffic during the summer months, and were not especially reliant on heavy industry (though the GWR of course served the South Wales coalfields). I'm not sure as to the profitability of the LMS, but I am an LNER/BR Eastern Region enthusiast, and the Eastern Group as it was first known during the Grouping plans was always having to watch their balance sheet. IIRC, they never failed to post a profit or pay some sort of dividend to their shareholders, but the decline of heavy industry in Yorkshire and the north-east hit them hard, especially during the Depression of the early 'thirties.

Given this, if we factor in the massive societal changes that have taken place since the Grouping era, including the rise of private car ownership, road haulage (which was a huge problem for the LNER eighty years ago) and the motorway network, to say nothing of the near-extinction of coal mining in the UK and much of heavy industry, and, as has been said, a profitable "Big Four" network would make Beeching's original proposals seem modest indeed.
 

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It's not April 1 is it? ...the huge external influences that have lead to passenger growth which started before privatisation.

I think it may be April 1. There are significant external influences certainly, but what are the huge ones that started before privatisation? And what plans did BR have for using those influences to increase patronage?
 

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This could herald the return to the subsidy-free and profitable system we had in the 1930s...

That's the funniest thing I've read in ages - cheered me up no end!

When you read a comment like that at the start of an article, it really isn't worth the bother of reading the rest of it. Facts are clearly not the strong point of this journalist!
 

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I think it may be April 1. There are significant external influences certainly, but what are the huge ones that started before privatisation? And what plans did BR have for using those influences to increase patronage?

BR was developing early forms of yield management (current forms in terms of railcards etc).
 

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k would make Beeching's original proposals seem modest indeed.

I don't see why that has to be the case. Germany and France have extensive systems and have never undergone a "Beeching". The problem with this country is railways have become a "political" football to be funded (or not as the case may be) on the whim of the government of the day whereas in those countries no one questions that investing in the railway system is vital for its wellbeing and prosperity.
 

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Tis is possibly the most absurd thing I have read in a long time. Even before the war it was clear that only the Southern Railway had a prosperous future. The rest were dying on their feet.
 

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Utter rubbish! Fully privatise and deregulate the railway any anything that does not make a profit will go. Very few railway lines in Britain makes a profit today because (with the exception of Altnabreac amd possibly a few of the lines serving London Commuters) it is entirely in competition with cars, buses, coaches and in some cases air travel, and each of these are arguably more popular (sadly).

So? Completely privatise and deregulate the railways and we'll probably end up with almost everything going as an asset strip to make a quick buck for shareholders, being left with one (probably foreign) company owning what's left and charging whatever they like for it. The only way this would not happen would be if it went to a charity...
 

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Funny to think that the Uckfield Branch, subject of so many discussions on other threads here would have been one of the very few lines to survive under option B which would have seen no services at all to Exeter, Plymouth or anywhere in Wales apart from Newport and Cardiff

Well its alleged that the Uckfield line is actually profitable, I say alleged because I have seen no figures or facts to prove it, just heard it from someone who I would expect to know.

Mind you when that report was written it was before it really slumped.
 

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That's the funniest thing I've read in ages - cheered me up no end!

When you read a comment like that at the start of an article, it really isn't worth the bother of reading the rest of it. Facts are clearly not the strong point of this journalist!

Except for comedy value. I enjoyed the article greatly. As I said, I was 15 at the end of BR, so really don't remember much at all - other than jokes about sandwich quality. I've spent a lot of time on trains firstly as a student/visiting friends and then as a FCC commuter (which is a painful experience with the performance stats). I really do find it difficult to believe that the current fragmented and confusing system is better for the passenger than the single BR model. I've also had the pleasure of travelling in Switzerland and France by rail a reasonable amount - the service in both countries is a magnitude better.

I can see the arguments for privatisation, but lack of subsidy simply isn't consistent with the benefit to society of rail travel vs road travel, or a reasonably equitable service for the moderately populated areas vs. the densely populated south.
 

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I've spent a lot of time on trains firstly as a student/visiting friends and then as a FCC commuter (which is a painful experience with the performance stats). I really do find it difficult to believe that the current fragmented and confusing system is better for the passenger than the single BR model. I've also had the pleasure of travelling in Switzerland and France by rail a reasonable amount - the service in both countries is a magnitude better.

I can see the arguments for privatisation, but lack of subsidy simply isn't consistent with the benefit to society of rail travel vs road travel, or a reasonably equitable service for the moderately populated areas vs. the densely populated south.

Well said :)
 

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I do wish people would stop trying to make the railway profitable. It can't be done. Most railways struggled to make any money even when there was no real competition. And any profits usually came from freight, especially outside the London area.

The network as a whole certainly wasn't making money in the 1930's, when competition from road transport really started to bite.
 

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I do wish people would stop trying to make the railway profitable. It can't be done. Most railways struggled to make any money even when there was no real competition. And any profits usually came from freight, especially outside the London area.

The network as a whole certainly wasn't making money in the 1930's, when competition from road transport really started to bite.

Don't say that in the presence of a right-wing free marketeer - if they had their way they would shut the whole network, or at least the parts that didn't stand on their own feet and make money.
 

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City AM said:
In defence of the train operating companies, their record in raising investment capital, increasing passenger journey numbers, and improving services has been far in excess of what the old nationalised British Rail could ever have delivered. Making up for nearly half a century of badly-directed investment, which coincided with a massive expansion of car ownership and domestic air travel, was always going to be an arduous challenge for these firms

...is the reason to not renationalise!

BUT..... the East Coast situation proves that fares are too high and companies are making too much money.
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Well its alleged that the Uckfield line is actually profitable, I say alleged because I have seen no figures or facts to prove it, just heard it from someone who I would expect to know.

Mind you when that report was written it was before it really slumped.

It is yes... and has had an 8-fold rise in passengers SINCE privatisation AND the introduction of the turbostars and London Bridge services through out the day.

Alot of people drive from surrounding areas (such as Haywards Heath, Tunbridge Wells and Lewes) to travel on them as the fares are cheaper than the main line.
 

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BR was developing early forms of yield management (current forms in terms of railcards etc).

I'm flabbergasted by this. My first response is to say, "I should damn well hope so" - the airlines had been doing it for some time. I'd say that this was definite proof that BR was behind the curve. Is there any proof that this early form of yield management actually produced results (i.e. that where it was tried there were increases in the market sectors it was aimed at)?

But in any case this is not an answer to the "huge external influences"; it's internal for a start!

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BUT..... the East Coast situation proves that fares are too high and companies are making too much money.

No it doesn't. The East Coast has always made money, and that money is artificially high at the moment due to the government putting back the replacement of the rolling stock. East Coast proves nothing.

Getting back to what is the key point in the piece for me: NR's ever-burgeoning debt. It's like the Pension situation - a giant Ponzi scheme that cannot end well. Government needs to face up to the fact that it has to bite the bullet on this.
 
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