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Chris Green & reopening railways

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Pinza-C55

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You were absolutely right. But whether connected or not -and I'm certainly not advocating one view or the other- it was also the beginning of the railway becoming more important in the life of the nation again. That was the important thing.

We've now got a railway that is carrying a lot more passengers; one where generally the stations are a lot better maintained; and one where we are building and re-opening railways rather than closing them.

Do I want to go back to the shabby run down railway of the late 70's & early 80's where the governments of the day (both Tory & Labour) starved the industry of investment? No, I do not!

The perception of railway staff in my area (as far as I remember) was that as well being about privatisation it was about spending silly money on an image rather than functional aspects of the railway.
"We've now got a railway that is carrying a lot more passengers"
Passengers which may have came to BR if it had never been privatised. They certainly aren't using the railways for the cheap fares. In addition 20 out of 27 of the current franchises are foreign owned so any profits simply go out of the country.
"Do I want to go back to the shabby run down railway of the late 70's & early 80's where the governments of the day (both Tory & Labour) starved the industry of investment? No, I do not!"
The railway where the railway staff felt like brothers whether they worked at Bognor Regis or Thurso ? Where services such as overnight trains were run because they were useful to the public rather than fulfilling the requirements of a franchise application ? The railway which the right wing media whinged about though they seem to have little good to say about its replacement ? The railway which has seen numerous fatal accidents due to the split between track maintenance and operating ?
Yes , lovely.
 
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The perception of railway staff in my area (as far as I remember) was that as well being about privatisation it was about spending silly money on an image rather than functional aspects of the railway.

It has to be said though that the image did result in tidy painted stations and re-upholstered trains, which in turn created a better impression for passengers. I remember when the VEP's were refurbed. They were still oldish trains, but you could tell they'd had a bit of TLC.
 

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It's actually a variation on something that Gerry Fiennes wrote (I can't remember if it was in 'I Tried to Run a Railway' or elsewhere), where he said that if there were questions about work not being started, something like a new welfare block agreed for staff at a marshalling yard, he would have someone sent over with a spade and wheelbarrow to just start digging, whereupon "it's started" would be noted by all and the awkward questions would be postponed. Some time later the contractors would arrive to start the proper work.

I am honoured to have my deviousness compared in such a way. Although most BR staff of that era would have done something similar.

Would not be all that surprised if Chris Green knew what we had done and was satisfied with the evidence that his concerns had arrived at the doing end of the railway.
 

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The perception of railway staff in my area (as far as I remember) was that as well being about privatisation it was about spending silly money on an image rather than functional aspects of the railway.
"We've now got a railway that is carrying a lot more passengers"
Passengers which may have came to BR if it had never been privatised. They certainly aren't using the railways for the cheap fares. In addition 20 out of 27 of the current franchises are foreign owned so any profits simply go out of the country.
"Do I want to go back to the shabby run down railway of the late 70's & early 80's where the governments of the day (both Tory & Labour) starved the industry of investment? No, I do not!"
The railway where the railway staff felt like brothers whether they worked at Bognor Regis or Thurso ? Where services such as overnight trains were run because they were useful to the public rather than fulfilling the requirements of a franchise application ? The railway which the right wing media whinged about though they seem to have little good to say about its replacement ? The railway which has seen numerous fatal accidents due to the split between track maintenance and operating ?
Yes , lovely.

Personally, I think the best structure the railway ever had was at the time of B.R. sectorisation under the first Bob Reid. As I said earlier, lines were re-opening, electrification was happening (at least in the South East), and the cost to the Treasury was much less than now in real terms.

Your point about foreign-owned franchises is correct: we've replaced a British state railway with a Dutch/German/French state railway. Daft. Certain sections of the right-wing media will always hate the railway whoever owns it: the key is in the name; it's public transport, not private.

You mention the lack of cheap fares. Over half of available fares (not the cheapest Advance fares) are set by the state. The annual pecentage increase is set by the state.

Fatal accidents?: not a single passenger has died in the last 8 years, making us the safest railway in Europe. And rail is by far the safest form of land transport - much safer than going by car.

You mention track maintainance: it's owned by the state, as is all of Network Rail, which represents over half of the railway industry. All the stations, all the tracks, all the signalling: all owned by the state.

In fact much of what happens on the railway today is decided by civil servants at the DfT -the state- investment, fares levels as above, setting timetables and frequencies, awarding franchises, new stations etc. etc. There is much more control by the state now than there ever was in B.R. days!

But I'm way of topic on this thread which is supposed to be about railway re-openings so I'm going to get my coat and say no more on the matter!
 

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Chris Green picked up the "NSE" area and transformed it with gusto and enthusiasm - made it almost profitable , got huge investment and (maybe you might not have liked the slightly brash image) - really did something.

A star in my view - and always approachable.
 

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These may not all have been down to Chris Green but certainly in his era.

Experimental running of an half hourly service from Watford Jct to Croxley . It didn't last very long and was unsuccessful.

He had visions of opening reopening Luton to Dunstable which is now a guided bus-way.

Was the introduction of the Network Southeast Railway card his idea?

The legacy of Network South East still lives on in places with red lamp posts and signage. (I know this has been discussed before).
 

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Was the introduction of the Network Southeast Railway card his idea?


Very much so , and quickly done - and of course , hugely succesfull from almost day one. More off peak travel helped fund investment.
 

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I do wonder, in a parallel universe without the privatisation (at least when it happened), had Chris Green become Chairman of BR, would we now have a National railcard available to all ?
 

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These may not all have been down to Chris Green but certainly in his era. ...

He had visions of opening reopening Luton to Dunstable which is now a guided bus-way.

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Oh it was him!

100% good bloke then, gets my vote. What a loss for decent connectivity in the Dunstable-Luton area.

Was he the man with the idea of extending wires from Bedford to somewhere around Oakley too?
 

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Oh it was him!

100% good bloke then, gets my vote. What a loss for decent connectivity in the Dunstable-Luton area.

Was he the man with the idea of extending wires from Bedford to somewhere around Oakley too?

Access of the fast lines stymied Dunstable and yes - they looked at going to a place called Milton Ernest , north of Bedford. Some of the 319's had blinds with these places on !
 
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