Chiltern September timetables

[swt_passenger]

The post September timetables are on the NR track access pages. Haven't compared them line by line with the earlier versions, but that Gerrrards Cross shuttle that has been talked about seems pretty random, rather than a regular all day thing...

Three separate files, 4,5 and 6 on the page here:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browseDirectory.aspx?dir=\Track Access\1 Current Consultations\2011.06.20 Chiltern 89th SA - closing date 18 July 2011&pageid=4591&root=

 

[The Planner]

Still treat these with a pinch of salt, things are still getting changed

 

[swt_passenger]

Still treat these with a pinch of salt, things are still getting changed

I had an idea that might be the first reply...

 

[465fan]

Looks good so far, glad the Chiltern lines are finally coming into their own with Evergreen

 

[JoeGJ1984]

Noticing that it puts the class number in timing type. But they all seem to be 165 or 168-0. You would expect to see the class 121 bubblecar and the ex-W&S class 67-loco hauled services, but they seem to be missing. Is this an indication that the loco-hauled services and the bubblecar are not going to run?

 

[465fan]

May be that thats what the timings are set to in the WTT, and that 67s and 121s will work in their place

 

[The Planner]

Thats correct, 67s run in 168 paths allows diagrams to be changed without screwing the path.

 

[Flying Snail]

Noticing that it puts the class number in timing type. But they all seem to be 165 or 168-0. You would expect to see the class 121 bubblecar and the ex-W&S class 67-loco hauled services, but they seem to be missing. Is this an indication that the loco-hauled services and the bubblecar are not going to run?

No. It is just that they are using two seperate timings, 165 and the quicker 168. 67+coaches will run to the 168 timings. As a result of the work done on the line the differential speed restrictions that hampered the loco hauled services have been lifted to the point that they can now keep to the published 168 timings.

If you look at the supplemental Agreement it lists the standard and additional types of stock to be used. 168 is standard for London-Birmingham/Kidderminster with 67 + up to 6 x Mk3 + DVT, 165, 172 listed as additional. 121 is listed as standard for Aylesbury-PR with 165, 168, 172 as additional.

67s are also listed as additional stock for Aylesbury-London via PR although that doesn't mean they will be used on that run in the normal timetable.

 

[Cherry_Picker]

Interesting to see a 23:07 departure from Marylebone to Birmingham, almost an hour later than the current last train.

 

[hick]

Interesting to see a 23:07 departure from Marylebone to Birmingham, almost an hour later than the current last train.

Quicker journey time plus the units no longer have to run ECS to Tyseley means a 2307 is possible within rules of the route

 

[Cherry_Picker]

Rules of the route?

 

[swt_passenger]

Rules of the route?

A Network Rail document that lists (amongst other things) the agreed opening time for a line. Stuff like posession opportunies, which includes the time the line closes for routine overnight maintenances as well as weekend engineering work etc.

From 2012 will be known as the 'Engineering Access Statement'...

 

[Cherry_Picker]

Ah. That makes sense. I don't suppose whether anybody here knows if Network Rail will continue to have a possession at Moor Street station on Thursday nights when the timetable changes?

 

[RPM]

I thought for one moment that there were fast trains to Aylesbury Vale Parkway from Marylebone, first stop Aylesbury, then I realised it is showing the services via the Met! :roll:

 

[Metrailway]

Why have NR labelled the timetables as Joint Line? Both the Chiltern and Aylesbury lines are ex joint lines (GC&GW and Met&GC respectively).

 

[Cherry_Picker]

It's been known locally as the joint line for years. Its probably the best name for it given that the Met is clearly the Met and the Chiltern line can be easily misinterpreted as any long that Chiltern operate passenger services on.
I take your point about the Met bring every bit as much a former joint line as the joint line though. In fact, as trains running along it will switch from Network Rail to LUL tho Network Rail again it ( London - Amersham - Aylesbury ) is more of a joint line!

It's all semantics though I guess, the joint is a descriptive name for the High Wycombe route, and anybody who needs to know that name for it does know.

 

[Chris B]

Don't know - but they're known as the Met Line (obvious) and the Joint Line....

 

[Batman]

A Network Rail document that lists (amongst other things) the agreed opening time for a line. Stuff like posession opportunies, which includes the time the line closes for routine overnight maintenances as well as weekend engineering work etc.

From 2012 will be known as the 'Engineering Access Statement'...

I thought engineering access times were decided by NR on a case by case basis, whenever work needed to be done. I didn't think there were set times set aside for engineering work on every line. You leran somthing new every day.

Do you know what the engineering access times are for some of the communter lines out of New Street?

 

[swt_passenger]

I thought engineering access times were decided by NR on a case by case basis, whenever work needed to be done. I didn't think there were set times set aside for engineering work on every line. You leran somthing new every day.

Do you know what the engineering access times are for some of the communter lines out of New Street?

I can give you a link. This should take you to the current rules of the route index page, Section 4 shows 'standard possession opportunities' route by route, then each route is divided into sections of line:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/Rules%20Of%20The%20Route/Outrotr11/rotr11.pdf

Quickly shows how complex the whole business is, IMHO...

 

[Chris B]

Re the confusion in names.....I think this is a side reason for Chiltern renaming the Joint LIne, Mainline....