Chiltern MK5s Starting 2026 (non speculative updates thread)

[Peter Sarf]

Currently 12814 + 12706 + 12705 + 12704 + 11502

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I think 12802 was used as something of a ‘Christmas Tree’ and I understand it is awaiting parts from Spain.

Thanks. Seems 12802 is even more likely to be the last to leave Long Marston.

 

[amazon1675]

Do we know which rake is on 5Q86 today please ?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Do we know which rake is on 5Q86 today please ?

That is CH04.

 

[amazon1675]

Much obliged Peter.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Last minute VSTP! Its 68026 as well.
Some edits, looks like 68032 and CH13 ran to Stourbridge today instead of returning to Bicester.
68014 has been replaced by 68010 for tonights 1J53


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Wednesday 1st October
Driver Training Mk5s
68029 and CH02 - Wembley LMD > 3U20 > 3H22 > 3E23 > Wembley LMD

Passenger Mk3s
68010 and AL04 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68009 and AL01 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD
68014 and AL02 - Wembley LMD > 5P08 > 1H12 > 5E16 > Wembley LMD > 5O55 > 1P51 > 5H68 > 5E60 > Wembley LMD
68012 and AL03 - Wembley LMD > 5P05 > 1H10 > 5Y14 > Wembley LMD
68015 and AL03 - Wembley LMD > 5O62 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - In Traffic
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use.
68012 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68013 - XHCE - DRS use.
68014 - XHCE - In Traffic
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH07? and CH03
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Banbury Depot with CH12
68023 - In Traffic to Longsight TMD
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Banbury Depot
68029 - In Traffic with CH02
68030 - Eastleigh with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Stourbridge Depot with CH13

68023 > Crewe Gresty Bridge > 0B32 (LE) > Longsight TMD

Red indicates repainted 'Blue Stripes' sets



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Quite a few swaps today including 68015 which is back out.



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Thursday 2nd October
Driver Training Mk5s
68032 and CH13 - Stourbridge Depot > 3N01 > 3R03 > 3N06 > 3T08 > Banbury Depot

Passenger Mk3s
68015 and AL03 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68010 and AL04 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD > 5O55 > 1P51 > 5H68 > 5E60 > Wembley LMD
Cancelled due to ETCS/ERTMS equipment fault? - Wembley LMD > 5P08 > 1H12 > 5E16 > Wembley LMD
68009 and AL01 - Wembley LMD > 5P05 > 1H10 > 5Y14 > Wembley LMD > 5O62 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - In Traffic
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use.
68012 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68013 - XHCE - DRS use.
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH07? and CH03
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Banbury Depot with CH12
68023 - Longsight TMD
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Banbury Depot
68029 - In Traffic with CH02
68030 - Eastleigh with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - In Traffic with CH13

Red indicates repainted 'Blue Stripes' sets

 

[nigelsporne]

Apologies if this in not quite the right thread. With the proposed half hourly service I assume the majority of these will be with the Mk5s. Will there be enough platform space at Moor Street and is Platform 4 suitable for the new stock? I know further platforms are proposed as part of the Midlands Hub but that's years away.
Yet to see the new livery but thanks to XCTurbostar and his posts.

 

[MerlinRail 804]

Apologies if this in not quite the right thread. With the proposed half hourly service I assume the majority of these will be with the Mk5s. Will there be enough platform space at Moor Street and is Platform 4 suitable for the new stock? I know further platforms are proposed as part of the Midlands Hub but that's years away.
Yet to see the new livery but thanks to XCTurbostar and his posts.

I think a mk5 has been in p4 on a test run at some point so yeah that should work

 

[Kite159]

Apologies if this in not quite the right thread. With the proposed half hourly service I assume the majority of these will be with the Mk5s. Will there be enough platform space at Moor Street and is Platform 4 suitable for the new stock? I know further platforms are proposed as part of the Midlands Hub but that's years away.
Yet to see the new livery but thanks to XCTurbostar and his posts.

Unless they run 1tph to Snow Hill turning back on platform 2 like they used to.

 

[MerlinRail 804]

Unless they run 1tph to Snow Hill turning back on platform 2 like they used to.

Yeah tbh they should do that. Makes more space for more Midlands Rail Hub stuff too

 

[brad465]

Is this the first example (in the privatisation era at least) of rolling stock that was built for a non-south east TOC/region then being cascaded to the south east, rather than the common practice of the reverse happening?

 

[43 302]

Cancelled due to ETCS/ERTMS fault? What sort of gibber is this?

 

[43096]

Is this the first example (in the privatisation era at least) of rolling stock that was built for a non-south east TOC/region then being cascaded to the south east, rather than the common practice of the reverse happening?

No...

There were the ScotRail 170s cascaded to GTR.
Also the 10 TPE 350/4s cascaded to services out of Euston.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Friday 3rd October
Testing and Driver Training Mk5s
68029 and CH02 - Wembley LMD > 3U20 > 3H22 > 3E23 > Wembley LMD
68022 and CH12 and 68028 - Banbury Depot > 5Q86 > Eastleigh (Operated by ROG)

Passenger Mk3s
68009 and AL01 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD > 5O60 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot
68015 and AL03 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68012 and AL02? - Wembley LMD > 5A99 > Aylesbury Depot

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - In Traffic
68010 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68011 - XHCE - DRS use
68012 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68013 - XHCE - DRS use
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - In Traffic with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - In Traffic
68029 - In Traffic with CH02
68030 - Eastleigh with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Banbury Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

Red indicates re-vinyled 'Blue Stripes' sets

 

[Hophead]

No...

There were the ScotRail 170s cascaded to GTR.
Also the 10 TPE 350/4s cascaded to services out of Euston.

Not even the first stock Chiltern have had from Trans-Pennine. They moved in swiftly to get hold of 170s approaching end of lease around 20 years ago, causing a fair amount of annoyance at the time. Someone will have more (and more accurate) information.

 

[fgwrich]

No...

There were the ScotRail 170s cascaded to GTR.
Also the 10 TPE 350/4s cascaded to services out of Euston.

And before that you had the 10 150/1s built for depots such as Derby Etches Park but later somewhat slowly cascaded down to Willesden for use with Silverlink Metro on the Goblin and Marsden Vale lines.

 

[43096]

Not even the first stock Chiltern have had from Trans-Pennine. They moved in swiftly to get hold of 170s approaching end of lease around 20 years ago, causing a fair amount of annoyance at the time. Someone will have more (and more accurate) information.

Those sets were built for SWT, though, before they went to TPE,so don’t qualify.

 

[sprinterguy]

They moved in swiftly to get hold of 170s approaching end of lease around 20 years ago, causing a fair amount of annoyance at the time.

Less than ten years ago - They only left the Transpennine franchise in 2016. Twenty years ago, the units were still with their initial operator, SWT, as recognised above by 43096.

 

[43096]

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Banbury Depot with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Banbury Depot
68029 - In Traffic with CH02
68030 - Eastleigh with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Banbury Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

The sets numbers are 'CH' for CH02/05/10/12/13; all the others are still 'TP'.

Red indicates repainted 'Blue Stripes' sets

They aren't repainted.

 

[amazon1675]

Two 5Q86 shown on the system for today. Should be 68022 plus CH 12.Do who know the correct running times please?

 

[Peter Sarf]

Two 5Q86 shown on the system for today. Should be 68022 plus CH 12.Do who know the correct running times please?

My money is on the version of 5Q86 departing at 13:12 being the runner.
The other (departing 11:53) version was activated exactly an hour before - a tell tell sign it was auto activated (as in no one knowingly asked for it to run). It is of course overdue now, if it is meant to run.
BUT until the 11:53 version gets "cancelled" I am at risk of being proved wrong .

 

[XCTurbostar]

The sets numbers are 'CH' for CH02/05/10/12/13; all the others are still 'TP'.


They aren't repainted.

Both fair points, I’ll change ‘repainted’ just for you. The sets will end up as ‘CH’ so I’ll show this for clarity for now.

My money is on the version of 5Q86 departing at 13:12 being the runner.
The other (departing 11:53) version was activated exactly an hour before - a tell tell sign it was auto activated (as in no one knowingly asked for it to run). It is of course overdue now, if it is meant to run.
BUT until the 11:53 version gets "cancelled" I am at risk of being proved wrong .

I would put all my money on the Arlington one running.
Should be 68022 and 68028 with CH12 TnT

 

[CR165022]

Friday 3rd October
Testing and Driver Training Mk5s
68029 and CH02 - Wembley LMD > 3U20 > 3H22 > 3E23 > Wembley LMD
68022 and CH12 and 68028 - Banbury Depot > 5Q86 OR 5Q86 > Eastleigh (Operated by ROG)

Passenger Mk3s
68010 and AL04 - Wembley LMD > 5O60 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot
68009 and AL01 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68015 and AL03 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - In Traffic
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use
68012 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68013 - XHCE - DRS use
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Banbury Depot with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Banbury Depot
68029 - In Traffic with CH02
68030 - Eastleigh with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Banbury Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

Red indicates re-vinyled 'Blue Stripes' sets

68012 is currently heading to Aylesbury on 5A99. Presumably has just got a DVT with it as there's no coaching stock listed on RTT.

 

[XCTurbostar]

5Q86 leaving Banbury now 68028 + CH12 + 68022

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Monday 6th October
Testing and Driver Training Mk5s
68030 and CH10 - Eastleigh > 5Q86 > Banbury Depot (Operated by ROG)

Passenger Mk3s
68010 and AL04 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68015 and AL03 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD
168215 - Wembley LMD > 5O60 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot

68012 and AL02? - Aylesbury Depot

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - At Wembley LMD
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use
68012 - XHCE - At Aylesbury Depot
68013 - XHCE - DRS use
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Eastleigh with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Eastleigh
68029 - Wembley LMD with CH02
68030 - In Traffic with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Stourbridge Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

Red indicates re-vinyled 'Blue Stripes' sets

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Two sets at Eastleigh - one in part Blue Stripes. Image from Arriva TrainCare on LinkedIn.

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68030 with CH10
Standard DRS blue 68030 with revinyled set CH10 arriving at Banbury.
Image from Railcam Banbury

 

[PLY2AYS]

5Q86 leaving Banbury now 68028 + CH12 + 68022

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Monday 6th October
Testing and Driver Training Mk5s
68030 and CH10 - Eastleigh > 5Q86 > Banbury Depot (Operated by ROG)

Passenger Mk3s
68010 and AL04 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
68015 and AL03 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD
Not allocated - Wembley LMD > 5O60 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot

68012 and AL02? - Aylesbury Depot

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - At Wembley LMD
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use
68012 - XHCE - At Aylesbury Depot
68013 - XHCE - DRS use
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Eastleigh with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Eastleigh
68029 - Wembley LMD with CH02
68030 - In Traffic with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Banbury Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

Red indicates re-vinyled 'Blue Stripes' sets

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Two sets at Eastleigh - one in part Blue Stripes. Image from Arriva TrainCare on LinkedIn.

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68030 with CH10
Standard DRS blue 68030 with revinyled set CH10 arriving at Banbury.
Image from Railcam Banbury

Kept the loco dark blue with the yellow front… I’m sure a few thread contributors will be hoping they keep it that way.

Thanks for the update, I’m enjoying watching these enter service slowly with training runs!

 

[Class15]

Kept the loco dark blue with the yellow front… I’m sure a few thread contributors will be hoping they keep it that way.

Thanks for the update, I’m enjoying watching these enter service slowly with training runs!

I agree, I think the new livery suits the coaches far better than the loco.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Tuesday 7th October
Driver Training Mk5s
None.

Passenger Mk3s
168215 - Stourbridge Depot > 5R17 > 1H17
68010 and AL04 - Stourbridge Depot > 5J14 > 1H14 > 1R21 > 1H45 > 1J49 > 5J49 > Stourbridge Depot
165031 - 5O55 > 1P51 > 5H68 > 5E60 > Wembley LMD
68015 and AL03 - Wembley LMD > 5P05 > 1H10 > 1R17 > 1H41 > 5E37 > Wembley LMD > 5O62 > 1J53 > 5J53 > Stourbridge Depot
Not Allocated - Wembley LMD > 5P08 > 1H12 > 5E16 > Wembley LMD

68012 and AL02? - Aylesbury Depot > 5E99 > Wembley LMD

Current 68s (MK3s)
68008 - XHCS - DRS use.
68009 - XHCS - At Wembley LMD
68010 - XHCE - In Traffic
68011 - XHCE - DRS use
68012 - XHCE - At Aylesbury Depot
68013 - XHCE - DRS use
68014 - XHCE - At Wembley LMD
68015 - XHCE - In Traffic

Current Mk3 coach sets

AL01	82304​	10272​	12609​	12606​	12610​	12621​	12602​
AL02	82301​	10273​	12613​	12605​	12608​	12615​	12616​
AL03	82305​	10274​	12625​	12604​	12617​	12620​
AL04	82309​	10271​	12607​	12614​	12603​	12619​	12618​

Other 68s
68019 - Longsight Depot with CH03, CH08 and CH11
68020 - Eastleigh with CH05
68021 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 - Eastleigh with CH12
68023 - Longsight Depot
68024 - Motherwell
68025 - Carlisle Kingmoor
68026 - Eastleigh Arlington with CH04
68027 - Loughborough Brush
68028 - Eastleigh
68029 - Wembley LMD with CH02
68030 - Banbury Depot with CH10
68031 - Loughborough Brush
68032 - Stourbridge Depot with CH13

Eastleigh - CH07
Wolverton Works - CH01
Long Marston - CH06, CH09, Spare DT 12802

Revinyl Order
CH05 - Released from Eastleigh with 68020 - 25/09/2025
CH13 - Released from Eastleigh with 68032 - 29/09/2025
CH10 - Released from Eastleigh with 68030 - 06/10/2025

Key

Red	indicates re-vinyled 'Blue Stripes' sets
Blue	indicates livery as DRS blue or Compass blue
Green	indicates 68014's 'Greener Future' livery
Grey	indicates livery as either Silver Sets (Mk3s) or Grey unbranded (Mk5As)

 

[Roylang]

I assume one of the two CH13s you have in the revinyl order is CH10, but which I don’t know. At a guess the second one?

Thanks,

Roy

 

[XCTurbostar]

I assume one of the two CH13s you have in the revinyl order is CH10, but which I don’t know. At a guess the second one?

Thanks,

Roy

Apologies, that will teach me for rushing!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Apologies, that will teach me for rushing!

Not great at the moment for 68s then as they are replacing them with 168s.

 

[FrontSideBus]

Do we know when the first passenger tests are due to run?

IMO, looking at the image a few posts above... I actually prefer the look of the base grey paint job over the new blue one!