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Cheapest Oxford - Lancaster Return?

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Daimler

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Would anyone have any advice on how to get the cheapest walk-up fare for travelling between Oxford and Lancaster (off peak, returning on a different day - and I have a Y-P Railcard) - I don't mind travelling on London Midland/going an unusual route, but at the moment everything I try seems to cost little less than simply buying an off-peak return. :(

Any good places to split or anything?

Thanks!
 
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Returning same day? Peak or Off Peak?

Having a look for Off Peak Open Returns's at the mo.
 

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£5.00 - Oxford to Banbury
£10.80 - Ban to Coventry
£4.30 - Coventry to Birmingham N.S
£13.80 - Birmingham N.S to Stoke on Trent
£9.70 - Stoke on Trent to Manchester Piccadilly (Virgin only)
£14.00 - Manchester Picc to Lancaster

£57.60 as opposed to £76.70.
 

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that's assuming a day return, isn't it?

If it isn't,
£28.70 Oxford to Wolverhampton
£22.80 Wolverhampton to Helsby (valid via Warrington Bank Quay)
£15.30 Liverpool South Parkway to Lancaster (valid via Warrington Bank Quay)

Total £66.80

For a (much) slower route-

£9.80 Oxford to Banbury (2 singles)
£13.60 Banbury to Rugby (off-peak return)
£14 Rugby to Liverpool (LM only, super-off-peak)
£15.30 Liverpool to Lancaster (anytime return)

£52.70

(you could save some money and time by not going to Rugby, but then you would not be starting your ticket from Rugby in the right place, which may not be strictly allowed. )
 
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Apologies - I wasn't clear at all when I made the initial post. I'm after an off-peak (or super off-peak) return (not same day).

I've edited the post now - sorry to previous posters! :oops:

It's a shame that London Midland only offer super-off-peak returns between certain stations, or Liverpool - Leamington Spa might be quite good...

To those people that have it, does buying Avantix traveller make finding this sort of thing a lot easier?
 
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I don't know about paying for avantix; it is certainly available for download - allegedly 'under the fair use rational of United States Law (17 USC S107.)'

While it is quicker, sometimes there are lots of fares to page through to find the one you want, and you also need to know the route to work out the split points.

Sites like eastcoast are usually pretty quick to return the fare, and also give you route information, so I don't think it really makes much difference.
 

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Can you not just post the text?

Some people read this forum on phones and mobile devices without access to pdf readers etc.



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FROM TO TYPE PRICE ROUTE
OXF BAN CDS £ 3.25 ANY PER *2
BAN BHM SVR £ 10.05 ANY PER
BHM SOT SVR £ 9.10 ANY PER
SOT MAN SVR £ 6.40 VT ONLY
MAN LAN SVR £ 10.10 ANY PER
£ 42.15
For Banbury to Birmingham, Banbury to Spring Road is a bit cheaper.
 

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Try this

Oxford to Banbury CDS x2 £3-25 x2 £6-50
Banbury - Bedworth SAV £8-85 £8-85
Bedworth - Nuneaton SDS x2 £1-40 £2-80
Nuneaton - Crewe OPR £7-25 £7-25
Manchester - Lancaster SAV £11-20 £11-20

Total £36-60

The Manchester - Lancaster return is valid via Crewe
 
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Sorry all.

Looks like my splits are the cheapest so far - tony_mac could you explain your suggestion and how it could be valid or am I missing it?
 
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Can you not just post the text?

Some people read this forum on phones and mobile devices without access to pdf readers etc.



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FROM TO TYPE PRICE ROUTE
OXF BAN CDS £ 3.25 ANY PER *2
BAN BHM SVR £ 10.05 ANY PER
BHM SOT SVR £ 9.10 ANY PER
SOT MAN SVR £ 6.40 VT ONLY
MAN LAN SVR £ 10.10 ANY PER
£ 42.15
For Banbury to Birmingham, Banbury to Spring Road is a bit cheaper.


Manchester - Lanccaster saver with YP card is £11-20 CDR is £10-10

Peter
 

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Sorry all.

Looks like my splits are the cheapest so far - tony_mac could you explain your suggestion and how it could be valid or am I missing it?

No problem; you just buy the ticket from Banbury to Spring Road, when you get to Birmingham you 'break' your journey and don't bother to resume it.

According to the routeing guide, Banbury to Spring road is not valid via Birmingham (since they recently made Tyseley a routeing point). However, all the journey planners (including National Rail Enquiries) tell you to make the journey via Birmingham.

Also a Manchester to Lancaster off-peak return does not allow break of journey on the outward, so starting short at Crewe may be a little dubious.
 

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Also a Manchester to Lancaster off-peak return does not allow break of journey on the outward, so starting short at Crewe may be a little dubious.

As you would have to change trains at Crewe anyway how is the RPI/Guard on the train to Lancaster going to know where you have come from?

Also I am not breaking my journey - I am just starting it late.
Peter
 
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but, but, but that would be... against....the......rules!

Not that I would have suggested doing the same thing at Birmingham with a Rugby to Liverpool super-off-peak return!
 

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but, but, but that would be... against....the......rules!

Not that I would have suggested doing the same thing at Birmingham with a Rugby to Liverpool super-off-peak return!

If you are paranoid a Manchester - Lancaster SOR with YP discount is only £2-95 more;):)

Peter
 

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Can you not just post the text?

Some people read this forum on phones and mobile devices without access to pdf readers etc.

FROM TO TYPE PRICE ROUTE
OXF BAN CDS £ 3.25 ANY PER *2
BAN BHM SVR £ 10.05 ANY PER
BHM SOT SVR £ 9.10 ANY PER
SOT MAN SVR £ 6.40 VT ONLY
MAN LAN SVR £ 10.10 ANY PER
£ 42.15
For Banbury to Birmingham, Banbury to Spring Road is a bit cheaper.

If you substitute Tame Bridge Parkway for BHM, BAN - TAB on WSMR is only £4.95 :).
 

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Listen Up...

The fares I pulled together are as because the OP said that he wouldn't mind going the odd / slower route - I have looked at my map from NR and that journey is possible with those tickets. I have not looked at timings or anything else as this was not asked for.
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No problem; you just buy the ticket from Banbury to Spring Road, when you get to Birmingham you 'break' your journey and don't bother to resume it.

According to the routeing guide, Banbury to Spring road is not valid via Birmingham (since they recently made Tyseley a routeing point).

That is what I saw as being odd (without looking at the routing guide) as you can go 1 change staying on the Moor St Lines.
 

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That is what I saw as being odd (without looking at the routing guide) as you can go 1 change staying on the Moor St Lines.
Actually, I have to correct that - the routeing has changed since I last checked.

According to the guide, it is valid via Coventry and New St.
I don't think it is actually valid via Solihull and Moor St, as that would double back through Tyseley. There is an easement that does allow the doubling-back, but only for journeys from/to Tyseley and not any further stations.

Not that it really matters, National Rail say it's valid - and they are the 'definitive' source of information.

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Also I am not breaking my journey - I am just starting it late.
I would actually agree with that, but the wording in the nrcoc can possibly be interpreted as meaning that where 'break of journey' is prohibited then so is starting late and stopping short.
 

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Manchester - Lancaster SAV £11-20

The Manchester - Lancaster return is valid via Crewe

Are you sure? Given that there are direct Manchester-Lancaster trains and CRE-LAN SVR is £21.70 with r/c, surely that can't be right?
 

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Are you sure? Given that there are direct Manchester-Lancaster trains and CRE-LAN SVR is £21.70 with r/c, surely that can't be right?
It can be! There are thousands like this all over the country. In fact, you told me about a similar example when I saw you on Grand Central last week ;)
 

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Ahh right ;) I really doubt you'd get away with that though! Is it shown as valid in the routing guide?
 

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It is mapped in the routeing guide maps GM + NC

Peter
 

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Ahh right ;) I really doubt you'd get away with that though! Is it shown as valid in the routing guide?
Don't rely on it existing for too long now it's been revealed here, as ATOC will now see it (although the people who update the RG are not exactly the brightest sparks doing a job that is actually incredibly complex! It took them about 2 years to remove Carlisle to Newcastle via Manchester, which they became aware of after a forum member used it and was incorrectly charged extra, he got his money back & an apology though).

Going via Crewe is rather dubious, but the correct procedure if a guard thought it may not be valid would be for them to check. They could in theory do this themselves (although I think only one guard in the whole country is conscientious enough to carry a copy of the RG with him ;)) or, far more likely, would be to ring control to ask them to check. Control should, in theory, have routeing guide experts on tap who could, within a couple of minutes, determine that it is in fact valid... however in reality they would probably struggle with the RG. But eventually they should figure out it's valid. It's not rocket science, but it is a bit tricky for someone who has not been trained on it to figure out for themselves. It would not surprise me if some of them look here to learn how to apply the RG!

The onus must surely be on the TOC to demonstrate that the ticket is not valid, and given that it is valid, then I don't really see it as "getting away with it".

If the TOC did incorrectly charge and then refused to give the customer a refund and admit liability, then, to be fair to ATOC, they would confirm it is valid and this could be taken to the TOC in question. They have done this before. Of course, the "error" is then corrected (hopefully complying with the law and informing the DfT these days....)
 

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National Rail says that ticket is valid via Crewe, so it should only take a quick phone call and doesn't need a routeing expert to check it.

In the cases where the 'computer says no', it could be quite difficult, but that shouldn't be the case here.
 
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