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I realise homelessness is only going to increase under this Tory Government but that said the subway approaches to Charing Cross underground station are very uninviting

I would not feel safe there late at night. Lots of undesirables and dimly lit passageways with lots of rubbish and decay

This right in the heart of London
 
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If you're talking about the passageway between the Underground and Mainline stations, it's been there for a long time. None of it is dimly lit. It's always had rough sleepers, sadly.

No need to make party political points, Cardboard City under the Waterloo roundabout was (mostly) removed by building the IMAX cinema on it, but it just moved the people to other, worse, places. That was under a Labour run London and Britain.
 

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London has a labour mayor, lots of labour councils and majority labour mp's.
 

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London has a labour mayor, lots of labour councils and majority labour mp's.
Indeed, it’s probably so bad in London thanks to action from the Labour Mayor who will not allow messages encouraging the public to not encourage this behaviour by giving money, and Labour politicians who discourage the police from dealing with vagrants (see recent furore over dealing with the vagrants in the subways by Westminster).

The Subways leading to Charing + LU station main entrance (underneath the station forecourt) are not part of the railway and thus the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Police / City of Westminster rather than BTP / LUL and in fact are the cleanest they have ever been in a very long time thanks to action from the London Fire Brigade who, along with others, have taken action against combustible materials being left in the subways and blocking the exits from the Underground station.
 

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London has a labour mayor, lots of labour councils and majority labour mp's.
Westminster City Council (which is directly responsible for the subways) is Conservative-run. Both the local MP and GLA member are also Conservatives.

The area around Charing Cross and the Strand has long had a large number of rough sleepers. It's estimated that 1 in 15 of all the rough sleepers in England can be found in the area. A number of organisations (St Mungos, Salvation Army, Connection @ St Martins in the Fields, Sikh Welfare and Awareness Team, etc) are active in the area, providing support to rough sleepers.

Indeed, it’s probably so bad in London thanks to action from the Labour Mayor who will not allow messages encouraging the public to not encourage this behaviour by giving money
Although Westminster City Council has supported the introduction of TAP contactless donation machines, allowing people to donate directly to a group of charities providing help and support in the area.
 

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Leaving aside the homeless issue, the underground passages and the tube station entrance have a real "retro" 70s feel to them now!
 
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Indeed, it’s probably so bad in London thanks to action from the Labour Mayor who will not allow messages encouraging the public to not encourage this behaviour by giving money, and Labour politicians who discourage the police from dealing with vagrants (see recent furore over dealing with the vagrants in the subways by Westminster).

Apart from the ones that are heard on London Overground trains operated for TfL, whose chair is the very same mayor.
https://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/whitechapel-mission-donations-for-homeless-1-6111455
 

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I realise homelessness is only going to increase under this Tory Government but that said the subway approaches to Charing Cross underground station are very uninviting
London and its transport is controlled by a Labour mayor
 

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The building owners want to close the subway.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2019/09/09/charing-cross-underpass-to-close/
The existing entrance from the Strand will be converted to a new retail store. The Adelaide Street entrance will be closed and converted to a fire escape door serving the retained basement retail and office space. The William IV Street entrance will be converted to a fire escape.

It’s the sort of planning application that makes perfect common sense and is difficult to argue against — and yet, there’s a nagging doubt, a sense that something will be lost. The underpass is grim, it’s unpleasant, it’s useless — and yet that’s what gives it the character that it has. It’s a relic of the 1970s, in appearance and effect and to lose it is both no loss at all, and yet leaves a howling wake at its loss.

It’s a fantasy escape from the bland world above with their uniform coffee shops and clothes outlets into a hidden dark unpolished world, if only for a few minutes as we hurry to trains and work.

If the planning application is approved, bankers will sit in meetings where today people shop for magical ephemera and fancy dress costumes. People in deep conversations will wander carpeted corridors that was once a dirty public subway.

It will be better. And yet it will be so much worse.

Head down there soon, delight in the curious passages that will soon be lost, maybe buy something, but most of all, soak up the infested atmosphere of decay and despair before it’s lost forever.
 
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Not quite. That only relates to the section they own under the northern side of the Strand. This section of the subway is already closed off overnight so is not where most of the vagrants congregate.

Hardly anyone goes in that way, it barely saves any time on the other entrances and isn't especially nice anyway...
 

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London and its transport is controlled by a Labour mayor
And what's your point?
  • The subway is nothing to do with TfL and is the responsibility of Conservative-run Westminster City Council.
  • The Mayor has responsibility for planning and housing policy at a strategic level, but day-to-day responsibility for housing and tackling homelessness is that of Conservative-run Westminster City Council.
 

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Homelessness and vagrancy has increased exponentially since the mid 1970s, under both Labour and Conservative governments and in local council areas controlled by each of those two parties. Labour did their best to solve some of the problems with the Rent Act and Housing Act, both introduced in 1975 when their government was new, the former attempting to improve the lot of private tenants and the latter the fabric of the privately owned properties they lived in. They were partially successful in some places, such as Camden in London where I then worked as a Housing Advisory Officer, but much depended on the attitude of the local authority and many, regrettably, did very little or 'turned a blind eye'. Some Labour controlled councils were amongst the worse imo, eg Islington and Lambeth, but Tory Westminster were probably the worst of the lot, cocking a snook at best to the legislation and, at worst, deliberately impeding it in a diabolically political way.

The Conservative governments from 1979 onward were more concerned with creating a 'property owning democracy' by the selling of council houses and flats to their tenants than creating any new social housing, and the Labour opposition were so engaged in in-fighting (sound familiar?!) they let the government off the hook, and even after Tony Blair became P.M. in 1997 housing took a low priority and remained so. The LibDems might have been expected to exert some positive influence when they chose Coalition in 2010, but getting and keeping their collective bums on padded seats seemed more important, hence their loss of appeal in later years.

As well as employment in the sector I was involved with Shelter from about 1971, including helping to set up a volunteer-run Housing Advice Centre, etc, and, later on, getting employed by a specialist charity and then the Probation Service in devising housing solutions for ex-offenders. In all that time there were moments, even whole months, when I thought that we were beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel, but it always seemed to disappear with each short-sighted new cash cutback or new political direction. So, my conclusion has to be that for the last forty years the political class that has run the country has failed miserably to begin to tackle the blindingly obvious housing crisis that has developed, and the consequent homelessness, much of it deliberately disguised. Here endeth the sermon.
 

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I noticed this myself yesterday. Not the most pleasant place to be and a couple of arguments breaking out along the subway didn't help with the atmosphere either.
The Subways leading to Charing + LU station main entrance (underneath the station forecourt) are not part of the railway and thus the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Police / City of Westminster rather than BTP / LUL and in fact are the cleanest they have ever been in a very long time thanks to action from the London Fire Brigade who, along with others, have taken action against combustible materials being left in the subways and blocking the exits from the Underground station.
Thanks for this info - I haven't been through Charing Cross in a long time and I thought it looked pretty dire yesterday but I'm glad LFB are taking action in some way.
 

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Why single out Charing X entrance when there is so much choice in the area! Take a walk up the Strand, past McDonalds, Tesco, Waitrose, I guarantee outside all you'll find a bedraggled coin collector. If you happen to need to walk down one of the side streets you'll need a clothes peg for your nose.

The people might sleep out, but "homeless" has become a nebulous term these days. How come 9/10 it's the places popular with tourists that have these problems? And the other 1/10 it's still somewhere where gullible people will part with money (and often not too far from where drugs can be bought).

It is a political problem, but I would argue one that involves failure to tackle crime, rather than "homelessness". I strongly suspect we are doing genuine homeless people a real diservice by not tackling the deeds and habits of organised gangs plus those (exploited by gangs?) who have simply gone feral and become toughened to sleeping out in exchange for cash, drink and drugs.

Get to grips, and Charing X entrance will take care of itself.
 

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Homelessness and vagrancy has increased exponentially since the mid 1970s, under both Labour and Conservative governments and in local council areas controlled by each of those two parties. Labour did their best to solve some of the problems with the Rent Act and Housing Act, both introduced in 1975 when their government was new, the former attempting to improve the lot of private tenants and the latter the fabric of the privately owned properties they lived in. They were partially successful in some places, such as Camden in London where I then worked as a Housing Advisory Officer, but much depended on the attitude of the local authority and many, regrettably, did very little or 'turned a blind eye'. Some Labour controlled councils were amongst the worse imo, eg Islington and Lambeth, but Tory Westminster were probably the worst of the lot, cocking a snook at best to the legislation and, at worst, deliberately impeding it in a diabolically political way.

The Conservative governments from 1979 onward were more concerned with creating a 'property owning democracy' by the selling of council houses and flats to their tenants than creating any new social housing, and the Labour opposition were so engaged in in-fighting (sound familiar?!) they let the government off the hook, and even after Tony Blair became P.M. in 1997 housing took a low priority and remained so. The LibDems might have been expected to exert some positive influence when they chose Coalition in 2010, but getting and keeping their collective bums on padded seats seemed more important, hence their loss of appeal in later years.

As well as employment in the sector I was involved with Shelter from about 1971, including helping to set up a volunteer-run Housing Advice Centre, etc, and, later on, getting employed by a specialist charity and then the Probation Service in devising housing solutions for ex-offenders. In all that time there were moments, even whole months, when I thought that we were beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel, but it always seemed to disappear with each short-sighted new cash cutback or new political direction. So, my conclusion has to be that for the last forty years the political class that has run the country has failed miserably to begin to tackle the blindingly obvious housing crisis that has developed, and the consequent homelessness, much of it deliberately disguised. Here endeth the sermon.
Very well said
 

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I don't mean to imply the homeless are undesirable by the way

Many aren't on drugs or anything like that. However it's more how a place feels* and even if it's not as badly lit as I described there are no staff about and a few boarded up shops to add to.the feeling of decay. Worst of all is the rubbish. Feels very cut off down there with a few underground passageways I'd not choose to walk down! It often feels deserted with few other people walking there.
*Not uncommon to hear people shouting down there and getting quite abusive
 

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It was a bit grim when I was going through here at 3am one morning (night tube) and there were spillages of some sort all over the tunnel, it stank, there was a slightly aggressive guy taking substances there and preceded to harass a homeless sleeper there and not to mention the mice running around there too. I definitely think that more needs to be done to keep this area cleaner and for it to feel more secure to a passing member of the public.
 

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It was a bit grim when I was going through here at 3am one morning (night tube) and there were spillages of some sort all over the tunnel, it stank, there was a slightly aggressive guy taking substances there and preceded to harass a homeless sleeper there and not to mention the mice running around there too. I definitely think that more needs to be done to keep this area cleaner and for it to feel more secure to a passing member of the public.

Charing Cross isn't ideal for night tube use, I'd be tempted to use Embankment instead!
 
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