Changing the 'name' of a bus stop

[johntea]

How common / often is it that a bus stop is renamed?

It got me thinking earlier on the route to Pontefract one of the stops for example is 'Stuart Road Swimming Baths' ... but that actual building has been closed and derelict a couple of years now due to the new leisure centre at Pontefract Park!

They could rename it to 'Stuart Road Morrisons' or similar I suppose

 

[Flange Squeal]

I can think of two off the top of my head local to me that have been renamed in the last 10 years or so - 'The Potters Arms' in Farnborough (Hampshire) and 'The Fox' in Bisley (Surrey). Both were named after pubs that subsequently closed down and have since been renamed 'Nash Close' and 'Foxleigh Grange' respectively (the former after the nearest side road, and the latter after the residential development that was built on the site of the former pub and adjacent car dealership).

 

[Darandio]

Renaming might differ by area but I can think of two bus stops in my home town of Ferryhill that are still named after the butchers that were adjacent to them. Both shops have been shut over 35 years!

 

[stuu]

There must be hundreds which are named after pubs which aren't there any more

 

[hexagon789]

There are a number in my local area which are called different names by the different bus companies which serve them.

 

[Dai Corner]

There's one in Newport on Tredegar Park Drive which was recently changed from 'Asda' to 'Sandpiper Way', the nearest side street. It is near a rear pedestrian entrance to the Supermarket and there's another stop near the main entrance in Duffryn Way called 'Pencarn Way' so the renaming perhaps reduces confusion.

Nearby is one called 'Panasonic' after a factory which was demolished to build houses years ago. It ought to be renamed and Stagecoach have done so for their on-bus announcements but the official name remains the same.

 

[py_megapixel]

There are a number in my local area which are called different names by the different bus companies which serve them.

This is part of the problem. Seemingly nobody has been bothered to standardise the stop names.

In some cases, the timetable, the signs at the roadside, and "next stop" signs on the bus all use slightly different names. It can be compounded by the same stop being covered by timetables published by multiple different bodies, for example one by the operator and one by a PTE, or (as you say) by different operators. I have no idea how anyone unfamiliar with the system (or rather the lack thereof) is supposed to navigate this and work out which stop they need.

It's not the worst thing in the world, I'll admit, but it's nonetheless yet another symptom of the total lack of coordination which seems endemic in transport planning in this country. It's embarrassing that we can't do it properly.

 

[ChrisPJ]

Does the naptan database still exist? That should be the definitive dataset if so.

Though it no doubt relies on pro active local authorities in order to be up to date.

 

[DunsBus]

Granton Road Station was shown as a fare stage on Lothian Region Transport (LRT) timetables from 1974 until the early nineties, when it was renamed after nearby Fraser Avenue.
The titular building had ceased to be a station in 1962 on the closure of the Leith Branch, subsequently becoming a plumbers' workshop, and ceased to exist altogether in 1985 after being burnt down by vandals. It lived on after then as an LRT fare stage until being renamed circa 1991.

 

[AwkwardHail]

Does the naptan database still exist? That should be the definitive dataset if so.

Though it no doubt relies on pro active local authorities in order to be up to date.

It does, and this should really be the list of stop names that everyone uses. If something is outdated update that, and then replicate it everywhere.

 

[Martin1988]

A decade ago the stop outside SGS College in Filton, South Gloucestershire was previously called "Filton-Rodney Works" but it has since been renamed "Filton College".

Really the stop should be names "SGS College" but somebody obviously knew what they were doing.

 

[padbus]

It does, and this should really be the list of stop names that everyone uses. If something is outdated update that, and then replicate it everywhere.

The names people use for bus stops and the "official" name often differ and not just because the name becomes outdated. My local route in Oxford in the 1960s had a timing point called New Marston Cross Roads but everyone referred to it as The Somerset House after the pub on the corner.

 

[MedwayValiant]

The main bus stops in Morecambe are called Morecambe, The Battery.

Once upon a time Morecambe Bay was used as a rifle range, and the actual Battery was a gun emplacement on the seafront. It was taken down in 1928, so those stops named after long gone butchers' shops in Durham have a way to go yet!

(To be sure, there was a pub close by which was named The Battery after tha gun emplacement, and that survived rather longer. It closed in 2010, and flats are now being built on the site.)

 

[Ianigsy]

A couple from Leeds - Weetwood Police Station hasn’t been a police station for several years now (which wouldn’t be as much of a problem if it wasn’t the first set down stop on the X84) and Yorkshire Television on Kirkstall Road has been ITV Yorkshire for a similar length of time.

 

[bussnapperwm]

In Wolverhampton you've got the stop named after the former Fighting Cocks... which is now an Aldi.

Same with the King Arthur stop in Dudley off the Birmingham New Road... again, now an Aldi.

 

[Simon75]

In Wolverhampton you've got the stop named after the former Fighting Cocks... which is now an Aldi.

Same with the King Arthur stop in Dudley off the Birmingham New Road... again, now an Aldi.

As post #2 loads of former pub examples around the UK

Arriva had their 38 Crewe to Macclesfield as a 'Sapphire ' route.
Not only were 2 former pubs in Congleton , had bus stops in with the pub names, but the on board announcements too

Though if a pub has been renamed, would the bus stop be updated with its new name (can't think of any examples at the moment, )

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Though if a pub has been renamed, would the bus stop be updated with its new name (can't think of any examples at the moment, )

I think (but can't be certain as it's a few weeks since I was up that way) the stop at what was formerly the Oddfellows Inn in Shelley, Huddersfield (on the B6116) has finally been renamed to the Flying Ferret which the pub has been called for over five years. It's definitely announced as such on Team Pennine's audio announcements on the D1.

 

[Flange Squeal]

Though if a pub has been renamed, would the bus stop be updated with its new name (can't think of any examples at the moment, )

Surrey County Council seem to try to keep up, with The Nag’s Head pub in Brookwood becoming Hunters Lodge (with matching bus stop). Then in the mid-2010s the pub was renamed back to The Nag’s Head, with the bus stop name also being changed back within a year or two.

 

[Falcon1200]

My local route in Oxford in the 1960s had a timing point called New Marston Cross Roads but everyone referred to it as The Somerset House after the pub on the corner.

And a bit further along the Marston Road was the stop at the Friar; Which was another pub now replaced by housing, so the stop has been renamed Crotch Crescent, not such an attractive name IMHO!

 

[WAB]

It's definitely announced as such on Team Pennine's audio announcements on the D1.

Transdev seem to be very on the ball with keeping their announcements up to date. First on the other hand find it difficult to get it right in the first place (cf. the three consecutive stops in Leeds announced as 'Woodhouse'). It's not uncommon in West Yorkshire for the flag, the shelter, the map, the timetable, the fare stage, the blinds, and the onboard announcements to be different.

 

[Bristol LHS]

Go North East’s X10 serves ‘Testo’s’ on the A19, near West Boldon. This is a roundabout, commonly called Testo’s after a garage/filling station that stood there historically. It’s been gone, replaced by an Enterprise Rent-A-Car base for at least 20 years.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Transdev seem to be very on the ball with keeping their announcements up to date. First on the other hand find it difficult to get it right in the first place (cf. the three consecutive stops in Leeds announced as 'Woodhouse'). It's not uncommon in West Yorkshire for the flag, the shelter, the map, the timetable, the fare stage, the blinds, and the onboard announcements to be different.

They're pretty good with it at Team Pennine, but not without fault. When they first launched, the announcement for "Whistlestop Valley" (formerly the Kirklees Light Railway) was played at a random stop on a residential street in Clayton West, rather than at the stop nearest the entrance on Wakefield Road.

 

[Bread & cheese]

"The Avenue, Stag Gates" is still a bus stop name in Southampton.
The Stag Gates were demolished in 1919.

 

[driver9000]

The main bus stops in Morecambe are called Morecambe, The Battery.

Once upon a time Morecambe Bay was used as a rifle range, and the actual Battery was a gun emplacement on the seafront. It was taken down in 1928, so those stops named after long gone butchers' shops in Durham have a way to go yet!

(To be sure, there was a pub close by which was named The Battery after tha gun emplacement, and that survived rather longer. It closed in 2010, and flats are now being built on the site.)

Also in Morecambe is a stop called County Garage which was the stop for the Ribble bus garage in the town. The garage closed around 30 years ago and a supermarket now stands on the site but the stop and the immediate area are still known as County Garage.

 

[WAB]

Headingley Arndale as was (now known as Headingley Central by about 2 people) is well known as such, mainly because it is the name of the stop, name of a turning point, and name of a farestage.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Headingley Arndale as was (now known as Headingley Central by about 2 people) is well known as such, mainly because it is the name of the stop, name of a turning point, and name of a farestage.

Was that one of Metro's "bright ideas" they had around the turn of the millennium, of branding groups of stops as an "Interchange"? A prime example being the various stops around what is now the Team Pennine depot which are collectively known as "Waterloo Interchange".

 

[WAB]

Was that one of Metro's "bright ideas" they had around the turn of the millennium, of branding groups of stops as an "Interchange"? A prime example being the various stops around what is now the Team Pennine depot which are collectively known as "Waterloo Interchange".

It was the owners of the Arndale Centre who were trying to rebrand their centre. Most people just call the parade of shops the high street, or the Headingley shops. However, the place is pretty much universally known still by bus passengers as Headingley Arndale.

 

[CarltonA]

"Staveley Works" still had a bus stop when I passed a couple of years ago in spite of Stanton & Staveley Ironworks closing in 2012 and being demolished. The HQ building still stands though and the stop is useful for Barrow Hill Roundhouse (which served the works). Observant people will know the name from pavements and roads throughout the country.

 

[ACBest]

I had a couple of stops in Leicester renamed lately, which were named after long-gone businesses on the Meridian Business Park.
They’ve now been renamed with street names instead.