Changing from the Circle line to the DLR

[Panceltic]

Hello,

just a quick question: Which one is easier/faster?

Changing from Monument (Circle line) to Bank (DLR)
or
Changing from Tower Hill (Circle line) to Tower Gateway (DLR)

Thanks

 

[1E05]

Simply because I don't like the walk between Monument and Bank I would choose Tower Hill / Gateway to interchange.

 

[Dstock7080]

If raining, you would stay dryer with the Bank interchange.

 

[The Apprentice]

I'd go Tower Hill, right around the corner.

 

[ert47]

Where are you trying to get to? I'd go to the place that would mean less changes to get to my destination.

 

[Panceltic]

Thanks to all for helping!

Where are you trying to get to? I'd go to the place that would mean less changes to get to my destination.

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I'm trying to get from Embankment to East India. In terms of number of changes, it does not really matter where I change, but I thought maybe one change was easier than the other.

 

[hassaanhc]

Direct train to East India from both places. Personally I would never change between Bank and Monument, let alone between lines at Bank, because is a very long walk between almost all lines (all underground though). Walk at Tower Gateway is much shorter and above ground.

 

[W-on-Sea]

They're much of a muchness, really. I've not been to Bank/Monument very recently, so am unaware of which, if any, parts of the complex are currently closed for rebuilding. But, under usual circumstances, the quickest way (as is increasingly the case at new TfL interchanges) from Monument to DLR is to not follow the signs for the DLR. Instead, go down the steps (signposted for the Northern line) at the west end of the District/Circle platforms, walk halfway along the Northern line platform, and then go down the stairs there to the DLR. Only catch: it's narrow in places, so gets congested, and consequently may be closed off during rush hours, leaving to you only the much longer "direct" route. But outside the peak, it'd probably be a quicker , (and, in rain, certainly drier) change than Tower Hill/Tower Gateway.

 

[joeykins82]

The DLR frequency at Bank is twice that of Tower Gateway so that may offset the slightly further walk. It's also all inside which is bad during the summer when the view of the Tower is nice, but a bonus when it's cold and wet outside.

 

[glbotu]

I reckon your quickest journey is:

1 stop back to Westminster
Jubilee Line to Canning Town
One stop to East India from Canning Town.

This is probably easier and faster.

 

[hassaanhc]

I reckon your quickest journey is:

1 stop back to Westminster
Jubilee Line to Canning Town
One stop to East India from Canning Town.

This is probably easier and faster.

It is slightly faster according to the tfl journey planner and Google Maps, and I find it to be the case too (instead of continuing to Tower Hill on the District and using DLR from there).

 

[mister-sparky]

One of TfL's route planning app's suggests:

Embankment - Northern Line to Waterloo - Waterloo & City Line to Bank - DLR to East India.

30 minutes, 8 stations over 3 lines.

 

[Lrd]

One of TfL's route planning app's suggests:

Embankment - Northern Line to Waterloo - Waterloo & City Line to Bank - DLR to East India.

30 minutes, 8 stations over 3 lines.

That's just silly!

 

[hassaanhc]

That's just silly!

Maybe it happens to be the fastest? If you wanted less changes you are able to select that option.

Similar happens when I search for a route between home and uni, giving changes at Paddington and Baker Street (involving an irregular 4tph service and a long walk at Paddington), whereas it is only a single change at Green Park or Waterloo if I wanted a route with the least changes (although you don't change between the Piccadilly Line and other lines at Green Park if you don't want to walk along a never-ending corridor, so to avoid it you change at Hammersmith and Westminster). The change between SWT and Jubilee at Waterloo is probably a similar distance to Green Park but as it is less crowded and involves two escalators and a set of stairs it seems shorter.

 

[Mojo]

The Northern line (or Bakerloo) isn't even stopping at Embankment until the end of the year!

 

[Wolfie]

One of TfL's route planning app's suggests:

Embankment - Northern Line to Waterloo - Waterloo & City Line to Bank - DLR to East India.

30 minutes, 8 stations over 3 lines.

Hum, particularly given that the Northern line is closed at Embankment until the end of the year......

 

[Panceltic]

Thanks for your suggestions.

I have Z1&2 travelcard, so I can't go via Canning Town.

 

[ModernRailways]

I've got two other possible routes.

Embankment - Tower Hill (Circle/District), Fenchurch Street - Limehouse (C2C), Limehouse - East India (DLR)

Embankment - Bow Road (District), Bow Church - Poplar (DLR), Poplar - East India (DLR)

There is also Embankment - Cannon Street (Circle/District), Cannon Street - Bank (Walk), Bank - East India (DLR)

Tower Hill to Fenchurch Street is about 4 minutes.
Bow Road to Bow Church is roughly a 3 minute walk along the road.
Cannon Street to Bank DLR is roughly a 5 minute walk. Quicker than actually changing at Bank/Monument.

 

[bb21]

If you are going to walk Tower Hill - Fenchurch Street you might as well go to Tower Gateway.

Likewise Bow Road - Bow Church is not going to offer any advantage since the DLR is every 10 minutes along that stretch, so the same frequency as Tower Gateway.

 

[ModernRailways]

If you are going to walk Tower Hill - Fenchurch Street you might as well go to Tower Gateway.

Likewise Bow Road - Bow Church is not going to offer any advantage since the DLR is every 10 minutes along that stretch, so the same frequency as Tower Gateway.

Tower Gateway has a service every 10 minutes, Bank is every 6 minutes - OP would only be able to board Woolwich services. It also depends on the service status on a day and the time of day they will be travelling. They may be able to time their journey so that they only have to wait 2 minutes for each train at each station.

I'd say the third option I gave would be the best and most quickest overall. Take about 25 minutes overall and that's including the walk between Cannon Street and Bank DLR. Probably best for OP to try each route out and then choose which one. They may well find one route is absolutely rammed, but if they go a different way it's relatively quiet.

 

[BritishRail83]

as a seasoned traveller on both, it definitely Tower Hill - Tower Gateway.

 

[Panceltic]

Thanks to all of you - it seems that the Tower option is preferred. However, I have found some maps (can't link to them now) that show there are direct escalators from the Circle platforms at Monument to the DLR at Bank. Does this hold true? If so, it may be better to change there, given better frequencies of the DLR.

 

[Nym]

There are indeed 'direct stairs' from a lower concorse.

You walk down a few stairs, then it's a single escalator to the platforms.

 

[Panceltic]

Thank you! And no touching in/out (given that they are two stations with different names)?

 

[Nym]

Thank you! And no touching in/out (given that they are two stations with different names)?

Nope, they're all behind the gateline.

If you're coming from the westbound platform, the concourse area on that platform has the direct passageway to the DLR platforms, either an escalator or 13+14+14+14+14+13 steps, to a passageway, then another escalator or 14+14+14+14+14+14 steps to the DLR platforms. Turn right at the bottom of these escalators after a soft turn to the left.

On the other side, you either need to change platforms 15+7 steps up then 12+12 steps down to the aforementioned route.

Alternatively you can go via the Northern Line Platforms, 14+14 steps down to an intermediate area (this can also be used for changing platforms, but may be against the one way routes in place). then you have an escalator down to the Northern Line platforms, after this it's a stacked stairwell down to the DLR platforms with 11+11+11+16+16 steps. 3 lots of 11 then turn back on yourself to the left and two sets of 16 steps will put you at the 'county' end of the DLR platforms, turn left at the bottom of these steps for departures.

 

[transmanche]

And when you consider how busy Bank-Monument can get and that some parts of those interchange routes are quite narrow (especially difficult navigating the narrow Northern line platforms) it can get very congested.

Hence why so many people have suggested the Tower Hill-Tower Gateway interchange as being a) easier and b) possibly/probably quicker.

 

[Panceltic]

That's great, thank you very much for a very detailed explanation. As I'll be coming from the westbound platform, it will be really easy to change there using the direct passageway.

The journey will take place off-peak, so hopefully it won't be that crowded.

 

[Nym]

And when you consider how busy Bank-Monument can get and that some parts of those interchange routes are quite narrow (especially difficult navigating the narrow Northern line platforms) it can get very congested.

Hence why so many people have suggested the Tower Hill-Tower Gateway interchange as being a) easier and b) possibly/probably quicker.

I'm only answering the guy's questions...

Personally I'd proberbly go via Tower Hill and Tower Gateway too

But for the journey being made of Embankment to East India I'd walk / District/Circle to Westminster and Jubilee it to Canning Town then head back to East India.

 

[transmanche]

I'm only answering the guy's questions...

I know. I wasn't responding directly to your post.

I didn't even quote any of your post, which would have indicated a direct response. My comments were actually directed to the OP.

Personally I'd proberbly go via Tower Hill and Tower Gateway too

That was the impression I got. In fact I thought my post merely reinforced your post...

 

[Statto]

Another way that hasn't been mentioned, District Line Monument to Whitechapel, London Overground Whitechapel one stop to Shadwell, then DLR Shadwell to East India.