• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Changes to bus service registration procedure.

Status
Not open for further replies.

83G/84D

Established Member
Joined
28 Oct 2011
Messages
6,151
Location
Cornwall
Wednesday, 2 May 2018

Shock Change to Bus Service Registration Procedure

upload_2018-5-31_20-25-7.jpg

The application form available today on the DaFT website (note the date at the top)

The Department for Transport's official abbreviation is DfT, but sometimes (quite a lot of the time actually) it appears to live up to its unofficial acronym DaFT!


One such example has just come to light with a significant change to the procedure that bus operators must follow to notify changes to their services being introduced with no notice whatsoever, not even to the government body responsible for processing applications!


Bus industry publication Bus and Coach Buyer reported:

Concern has been raised over the lack of communication between the government and the PCV industry over changes made to bus service regulations.

The Public Service Vehicles (Registration of Local Services) (Amendment) Regulations 2018 came into force on 24 April and apply only to England. A key change is to the notice period to start or vary a bus service, which has been reduced from 56 to 42 days. It calls for every authority through whose area the service passes to be sent a form to confirm that they have been pre-notified.

The OTC will start the 42-day period when it receives an application with the relevant local authorities’ confirmations attached. If a council does not respond within 28 days, the operator can submit the registration anyway. The regulation change also means that when a service is reduced or cancelled, the authority can require information on the number of passenger journeys, details of the types of passenger, the journeys they make and the fares they pay.

The government’s intention to make the changes were announced while discussing secondary legislation under the Bus Services Act.

Stone King: ‘operators caught out’

Andrew Banks, partner at Bus & Coach Buyer’s legal experts, Stone King LLP, said: “The key change in the regulations is that although the notice period to start or vary a bus service has been reduced from 56 to 42 days the OTC will only start the 42-day time period when an application is received from the operator together with confirmations from local authorities who have bus stops on the route that they have been pre-notified of the change. The local authorities effectively have 28 days to confirm as if they fail to respond after that time the operator can submit the registration in any event. The impact on operators will be to introduce what may amount to an additional 14 days before a variation can be introduced.

“If a local authority does not respond or uses the full notice period it could be effectively 70 days before a variation completes the notice period. The current requirements can be cumbersome enough for operators but this potentially makes planning ahead more vital and further reduces flexibility in an operator’s practice. It is a pity there was no consultation on this change as operators were caught cold regarding the change. In terms of planning operators will probably need to be pessimistic and consider a 70-day lead in time to be the norm rather than the 56 days that provided some certainty before.

“Whether at this late stage it is worth making representations to the DfT is a moot point but the regulation is here to stay, at least for now.”

CPT’s Chief Executive, Simon Posner, said: “It is very disappointing that such a fundamental change to the bus service registration process has been made without warning. This has caused huge concern for operators seeking to register services, and has allowed no time for the industry or local authorities to adapt their processes.

CPT has raised this with DfT officials who have confirmed that guidance and advice to operators and local authorities is being prepared as a matter of urgency. DfT has also agreed to consider whether a period of grace could be offered in respect of registration applications made after the immediate introduction of the new arrangements.”

Public Service Vehicles (Registration of Local Services) (Amendment) Regulations 2018 can be seen in full here: https://goo.gl/z3rLMh

BUG Chair, Jim Davies commented:

"Although the bus industry is often described as "deregulated", in practice it is subject to a number of restrictions on the way it operates, not all of which act in the interest of passengers. Previously, operators had to give 56-days notice to the Traffic Commissioners and local authorities of their intention to start, end or alter bus services. Part of the reason for this was to allow local councils to evaluate the changes and to decide, in the case of a service reduction or withdrawal, whether to organise a replacement service. However, with more and more councils, including Cumbria and Lancashire, deciding not to replace withdrawn buses as a matter of policy this has become less and less relevant. But the notice period applies equally to operators wishing to make improvements to timetables or introduce new services. In these cases the notice period was designed to protect other bus companies who may be running similar services and to allow them time to respond, but the reality these days is that such instances of on-road competition are few and far between. The main effect of the notice period is therefore to delay the introduction of improvements unnecessarily. That 56 days has now been extended potentially to 70 days and operators will in effect have to make two separate applications - one to the traffic commissioner and one to the council. It also introduces a degree of uncertainty as to when a proposed change will be approved, depending as it now will on the speed of response of the local authority.

Irrrespective of the merits of the revised procedure it is almost beyond belief that a responsible government department could make such a significant change to procedure WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE AT ALL!

Posted by Jim at 21:01 No comments: upload_2018-5-31_20-25-7.gif



Source:- http://lancsbus.blogspot.com/


This was posted a month ago & some of you may have already seen or heard about this but as nothing posted here I thought it was worth sharing.
 
Last edited:
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Dentonian

Member
Joined
4 Dec 2017
Messages
1,192
Brings inline to the Scottish regulations, whats so bad :D

Apart from the fact that the DfT told NO ONE until the day after it was implemented, it means there will be 14 days less to advise passengers of changes.

It also allowed Operators to take advantage of the "transitional" period. No names, but an Operator in NW England verbally advised the two local authorities affected of their intention to withdraw a service. Whilst both LAs (reluctantly) accepted the withdrawal, no dates were mentioned. The Operator promptly registered the withdrawal with 42 days notice - but only with ONE LA. Not for the first time - and this Operator is by no means the only "guilty" party in this respect - the second LA only found out when the first tipped them off a few days later. Coincidentally, I heard today that the relevant department of the second LA *still* have not received the registration, and its this second LA that is responsible for publicity of the withdrawn service. The public timetable being shared with an unchanged service. There is also bus stop/station publicity involved as well.
 

Megafuss

Member
Joined
5 May 2018
Messages
887
Location
Spalding
I understand that not even Leeds had been told about the introduction before it was introduced.

I hope in the long run this will mean Commercial Offices (Hello mine) become far better at planning service changes, rather than just doing it because they can
 

Dentonian

Member
Joined
4 Dec 2017
Messages
1,192
I understand that not even Leeds had been told about the introduction before it was introduced.

I hope in the long run this will mean Commercial Offices (Hello mine) become far better at planning service changes, rather than just doing it because they can

I'm not sure who you mean by "Leeds", but I suspect its irrelevant and you understand correctly(!) What i mean is that NWTAO weren't informed, so its fair to assume NETAO weren't either. Similarly Operators, PTEs/Local Councils etc weren't informed either.

As to better planning of service changes - that's a seperate, but very relevant issue. Notwithstanding serious competition issues (probably of their own making) and sudden. permanent congestion increases, I don't know why Operators can't review individual services or even a full depot's operation on a cyclicle basis, like some used to. Now its a case of changing peak journeys one date, then changing day time journeys 2 months later, then Eve/Sun changes three months after that - all the time spending £60 per variation; wasting a fortune in publicity costs and justifying the industry's reputation for instability. And all the time, they are messing around with "pet" services, others - often the real earners..............may be that's the point...............are left to deteriorate in terms of punctuality, for years.
 

Megafuss

Member
Joined
5 May 2018
Messages
887
Location
Spalding
I'm not sure who you mean by "Leeds", but I suspect its irrelevant and you understand correctly(!) What i mean is that NWTAO weren't informed, so its fair to assume NETAO weren't either. Similarly Operators, PTEs/Local Councils etc weren't informed either.

As to better planning of service changes - that's a seperate, but very relevant issue. Notwithstanding serious competition issues (probably of their own making) and sudden. permanent congestion increases, I don't know why Operators can't review individual services or even a full depot's operation on a cyclicle basis, like some used to. Now its a case of changing peak journeys one date, then changing day time journeys 2 months later, then Eve/Sun changes three months after that - all the time spending £60 per variation; wasting a fortune in publicity costs and justifying the industry's reputation for instability. And all the time, they are messing around with "pet" services, others - often the real earners..............may be that's the point...............are left to deteriorate in terms of punctuality, for years.

Sorry, when I was referring to Leeds i was meaning the Traffic Commissioner Office. Re the rest. I couldn't agree more re cycle/review dates. I am aware of one service that changed FOUR times in six months. Each time EVERY timetable on the route needed to be changed and a full rota change needed to be made. No wonder driver are leaving in droves
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,225
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
You'd think that a decent IT system could be provided which would take the requests and workflow them to local authorities for acknowledgement. This process is cack-handed in the extreme and looks like it's straight out of about 1975.

It also allows local authorities the ability to "punish" an operator by delaying acknowledgement for as long as possible, which is very unfair.
 

radamfi

Established Member
Joined
29 Oct 2009
Messages
9,267
Other countries manage to restrict most if not all service changes to the annual railway timetable change date in December.
 

Dentonian

Member
Joined
4 Dec 2017
Messages
1,192
Other countries manage to restrict most if not all service changes to the annual railway timetable change date in December.
Obviously, they have a completely different operating environment ie no deregulation or competition between public transport modes.
 

carlberry

Established Member
Joined
19 Dec 2014
Messages
3,169
Other countries manage to restrict most if not all service changes to the annual railway timetable change date in December.
So the first step to that is to ensure that the UK only changes it's railway timetables in December then!
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,225
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
So the first step to that is to ensure that the UK only changes it's railway timetables in December then!

TBH the old summer/winter dates made more sense than December. I know it was standardisation with mainland Europe, but given that Eurostar is our only overlap there it didn't make sense to change it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top