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Central line - shortage of serviceable trains

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James H

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In a few weeks time I need to take a group from Holborn to Theydon Bois and back on a Saturday.

Should we allow extra time for our journey given the rolling stock shortage, or are we likely to be OK on a Saturday?
 
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Live departures from Holborn today (a Saturday) at 11 am show a constant drip of Epping services.
 

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In a few weeks time I need to take a group from Holborn to Theydon Bois and back on a Saturday.

Should we allow extra time for our journey given the rolling stock shortage, or are we likely to be OK on a Saturday?

I would certainly allow a modest amount of extra time, both to account for extended intervals between trains, and also the possibility that trains will be more crowded as a result.

This issue is likely to go on for months or even years, though there is a special reduced timetable imminent which should regularise things a bit.
 

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This issue is likely to go on for months or even years, though there is a special reduced timetable imminent which should regularise things a bit.
However this timetable is only going to apply Mondays to Thursdays (coming into effect this Monday, 26th February), which means unfortunately for the time being extended gaps on Fridays and Saturdays particularly.
 

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Especially today..

Central Line: NO SERVICE between Leytonstone, Epping and Hainault via Woodford while we fix a signal failure at Woodford. GOOD SERVICE on the rest of the line. London Underground tickets are being accepted London Buses via any reasonable route.
 

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Failed again also yesterday - it seems the Woodford area is becoming abit of an operational headache
 

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"Good service" for the 53 train reduced timetable introduced last week.
“Good Service” again today.

Luckily I was only going back & forth between central and Stratford but even for that the combination of reduced timetable and multiple speed restrictions has added about 5 minutes to the journey time vs before this mess.

Is there a speed restriction the whole way from Mile End to Stratford?

That section has trains drifting leisurely along all the way, and they cannot be being checked by a train in front!
 

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There is a speed restriction the entire way both roads between Stratford and Mile End.

On the westbound there's one point where it'll go to the appropriate target speed for the section, but it quickly brakes back down to 35KPH
 
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Does anybody know if the various temporary timetables that have been put into action on the central line over the past few months are available as PDFs? They didn't seem to appear on the usual WTT pages.

Thanks in advance,

Roy
 

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TTN99/24 introduced 26 February 2024, 60 train service Mon-Thur, with provisions for 58, 56, 53 train availability.
TTN100/24 introduced 15 April 2024, 60 train service daily, with provisions for 58, 56, 53 train availability Mon-Fri; 58, 55 Sat and 57, 54, 51 Sun.
 

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They don’t usually publish TTNs [Timetable Notices] on that page (some years they publish the Met line leaf fall season).

If nobody else has done so you could ask for it under FoI though. The poster above has given the details of what to ask for.
 

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Is there any progress at removing the speed restrictions?

An 8 min wait on the screen at Mile End today due to train shortages, turned into 11 min wait in reality, due to the slow running.

If the slow running is now “semi permanent” perhaps they should adjust all the countdown clocks, since the time on them bears little resemblance to real world time (in the Stratford to Liv St section at least).
 

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This isn't possible (for now)

The destination boards are tied into the signalling system.

The current timetable dosent have the running time with the TSRs incorporated into it.

Although with the temporary timetable, there's currently an extra 2 minutes running time in the timetable which is helping to keep things afloat on the Central Line.

TSRs have been lifted west of White City, but right now engineers are working round the clock to remove the remaining TSRs when it is safe to do so. I know it's not been easy.
 

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Hi guys , I’ve seen that weekdays the central line is working to a new WTT but I can’t find anything for Fri/Sat/Sun . I noticed the other day that the tubes were not running to the existing WTT. Does anyone have any info on this ? Thanks
Post #134 details current TTN100/24
 
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TSR still in place on the westbound either side of Newbury Park, including descent into the tunnel portal.
 

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Removal of the majority of TSRs on the Central Line has begun
 
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Removal of the majority of TSRs on the Central Line has begun
Excellent - can’t happen soon enough!

That, the lack of trains, and Lancaster Gate (one of my regular destinations) being unpredictably closed has been a bit painful recently.
 

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A new temporary timetable TTN37/25 is being introduced from 27th January 2025 which will schedule 71 trains in service during weekday AM/PM peaks. That's up from 60 trains on the temporary timetable TTN100/24 introduced on 15th April 2024. But still remaining below the 78 trains in the previous full timetable WTT 70.

Source: https://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/34815/temporary-timetable-ttn37-january-2025
Mondays-Fridays
A 71 train service will operate during the AM and PM peaks (which represents 6 planned cancellations to the full peak service that is currently scheduled in the existing WTT 70).
A 61 train off peak service will operate (which represents 5 planned cancellations to the normal off peak service that is currently scheduled in the existing WTT 70).
2 trains are cancelled during the evening off peak, up to close of traffic.
Existing trains have been rescheduled to minimise the impact of wide intervals that have opened up from the cancelled train paths. However some wider than usual intervals will remain in certain parts of the timetable, due to pathing constraints. Intervals are to be regulated and services adjusted where necessary.
 
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