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csd

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Hello,

I'm trying to work out what happens at Pasila (Helsinki) when loading cars onto the night train.

It seems clear enough that anyone accompanying the driver has to board from the main Pasila passenger station, and they wait there while the driver brings the car the few hundred metres down the road to the Pasila car carrier station to load. But what happens after loading? Does the driver have to walk back to Pasila passenger station to board with the rest of their party or do they board alone from separate platforms at the car carrier station?

Thanks!
 
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I have just looked at VR’s English site and it says ‘…go to the departure platform of the night train…’, while it says in the Swedish section that it is about 400 metres. (It is worth reading VR’s English information as it gives some dos and donts.)
 

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Hello,

I'm trying to work out what happens at Pasila (Helsinki) when loading cars onto the night train.

It seems clear enough that anyone accompanying the driver has to board from the main Pasila passenger station, and they wait there while the driver brings the car the few hundred metres down the road to the Pasila car carrier station to load. But what happens after loading? Does the driver have to walk back to Pasila passenger station to board with the rest of their party or do they board alone from separate platforms at the car carrier station?
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Cars are loaded on the trains in advance, so you are likely going to spend an hour or two in town after having loaded them (but you might be able to get to your cabin early). People who cannot drive aboard themselves, e.g. a single parent with small children, can get this as a service, to be requested in advance.
 

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Go to .vr.fi , select EN , select Menu , select Car-carrier trains (in the centre near the bottom). They do seem to have provide a fairly thorough guide for users and not the all-too-frequent couple of sentences of fractured English.
 

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What happens to the non-car passengers looks interesting too. The main train from Helsinki calls at Pasila (passengers) then picks up the carriers so takes over half an hour to get to Tikkurila.

Southbound the car carriers are on the back again but where are they detached? Does the whole train draw into the car station yard on the one through track that continues into Pasila or are they detached earlier, at Tikkurila say, and taken separately into the car station?
 

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Thanks for the replies everyone.

I had gone through the English section of the vr.fi site, and though it’s mostly excellent, as Gloster states in only says to ‘go to the departure platform of the night train’: it doesn’t specifically state which station this platform is in (ie Paisla or or Pasila Car Carrier). The mention of 400 metres on the Swedish site is interesting, as that implies that the driver has to walk back down to the main passenger station. I just thought this was slightly sketchy: after looking at the Google Street View imagery it doesn’t seem to be a very pedestrian-friendly route.

I have done this route once before without a car, and while I recall an extended stop at Pasila for the car wagons to be attached I don’t recall a propelling movement which would seem to be required if the whole train reversed into the car carrier station for the wagons to be attached and the drivers to board. It seems to me more likely that drivers joined at Pasila with the rest of their parties and the car wagons were shunted onto the train once it stopped again north of Pasila in the vicinity of the car carrier station.

Nwales58, the vr.fi website says the cars are taken off at Pasila and reminds those passengers to get off there. I presume it’s the reverse of what I said above (everyone disembarks at Pasila and the drivers walk up to the carrier station) but I’m not sure.

I’ll be taking my car on this train in November with the kids (and the dog), so I will report back. At this stage I’m thinking of just leaving everyone else (including the dog) at the central station and driving to Pasila myself to do whatever needs doing there.

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There is a comprehensive guide in English here: https://www.vr.fi/en/tips-for-rail-travel/tips-for-car-carrier-passengers

Basically the driver goes with the car to the Pasila Car station and waits in the waiting room white everyone else goes to Pasila. After loading the car, walk to Pasila station via the dedicated path (which IIRC, leads to platform 5 - it was the old dedicated route to Helsinki Areena). There is no boarding of the passenger wagons at Pasila Car Station.

I guess you have two options - drop everyone off at Pasila first then around to the car carrier station (check the directions, "new" Pasila is still a bit of a mess with driving), or drive directly to the car carrier station, everyone else takes their stuff and walks via the path to Pasila station leaving you to deal with the car. Make sure you take everything you need for the journey - you can't get access to the car afterwards.

A few other notes: the car carrier wagons have electrical sockets for engine heaters but not for charging electric vehicles. I am assuming you either have your own car or have a hired car - winter tyres!!!!
 

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There is a comprehensive guide in English here: https://www.vr.fi/en/tips-for-rail-travel/tips-for-car-carrier-passengers

Basically the driver goes with the car to the Pasila Car station and waits in the waiting room white everyone else goes to Pasila. After loading the car, walk to Pasila station via the dedicated path (which IIRC, leads to platform 5 - it was the old dedicated route to Helsinki Areena). There is no boarding of the passenger wagons at Pasila Car Station.

I guess you have two options - drop everyone off at Pasila first then around to the car carrier station (check the directions, "new" Pasila is still a bit of a mess with driving), or drive directly to the car carrier station, everyone else takes their stuff and walks via the path to Pasila station leaving you to deal with the car. Make sure you take everything you need for the journey - you can't get access to the car afterwards.

A few other notes: the car carrier wagons have electrical sockets for engine heaters but not for charging electric vehicles. I am assuming you either have your own car or have a hired car - winter tyres!!!!

Thanks - so after I check in, I park up, go to the waiting room, wait to be called, load the car, then walk back to Pasila?

I'll have the 3PMSF tyres on order :)

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Thanks - so after I check in, I park up, go to the waiting room, wait to be called, load the car, then walk back to Pasila?

I'll have the 3PMSF tyres on order :)

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Yes, this is my understanding. Might be easier for all of you to walk over from the Pasila waiting room.

You will need the winter tires on before you enter Finland. Are they studded or friction? Would strongly recommend studded tires (and this opens a huge debate of which is better - personally studded, unless you can guarantee dry snow and no ice)
 

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Yes, this is my understanding. Might be easier for all of you to walk over from the Pasila waiting room.

You will need the winter tires on before you enter Finland. Are they studded or friction? Would strongly recommend studded tires (and this opens a huge debate of which is better - personally studded, unless you can guarantee dry snow and no ice)

The rest of my party (travelling on a separate booking) will be leaving from Central, so I'll probably offload child + dog there. I presume there won't be an issue with that - I don't remember a ticket check boarding in Helsinki last time (2021) so hopefully VR haven't suddenly got stricter.

I'll be getting friction tyres because I want something I can use in Ireland for the rest of the winter. No point in getting studded just for a week in Finland, and from the YT videos I've seen, even non-studded 3MPS tyres seem to be appreciably better than summer tyres in snowy conditions. Wandering well off topic here, but I'm hoping my Volvo will be ok with the low temperatures around Rovaniemi and Levi at the end of November - we'll be doing a bit of skiing after visiting Santa! The return route will be on the Kolari - Helsinki sleeper, and home via Finnlines to Germany, Hoek van Holland - Harwich, and Holyhead - Dublin.

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Hi folks,

Well I'm back from my trip to Lapland, and everything went smoothly in regards to the car transportation. Some notes that might be useful to others doing this itinerary in future.

I left the rest of the family (and dog) at Central instead of Pasila. We'd been staying at the Scandic Grand Central adjacent to the station, and that was a very pleasant spot to wait rather than trekking to Pasila. It was a very quick trip back on a HSL train from Pasila to Central to have a drink at the hotel in pleasant surroundings before boarding the sleeper!

The address of the car loading station is wrong in the app - follow Google Maps instead. The approaches to the car carrier station are through a building site, but keep going and the entrance is off Tulistimenkatu. I pulled up to the check-in booth, was asked my name, and then told to wait by the lower level loading dock. It took less than 30 seconds and I was the second car there:
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Loading began pretty much bang on time at 18.00: we drove up the ramp and along the car carriers to the third of three. An additional one was attached in Tampere during the journey.

The staff use chocks that clip into rails that run the length of the wagons to keep your car from rolling about, though you are also asked to ensure your handbrake is on. Don't forget to disable your alarm's motion sensors!

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It felt like a tight squeeze but after parking I was able to walk back along the car to the entrance ramp. There is a segregated pedestrian walkway back to Pasila passenger station, so you don't have to navigate the building site and dual carriageway crossing to get there:
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You can wait here for the sleeper or do as I did and buy a ticket on the HSL app for the frequent trains back to Helsinki central.

A shot of the car carriers at Tampere, just before the Tampere one was attached (they're coupled as double-wagons):
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Unloading in Rovaniemi was straightforward - I had the car off the train within 20 minutes of arrival. Definitely needed the snow tyres on this trip - we had heavy snow in Helsinki, Rovaniemi, and further north in Levi and Kolari! Since the rest of the family were flying home from Kitalla, I made the return trip from Kolari rather than Rovaniemi as it was a shorter drive. There's pretty much nothing to do in Kolari, so if you are doing this, don't arrive at the station too early! I'd say there were about two dozen cars on the Kolari - Helsinki train (Thursday of last week) - it was very cold at -20ºC so the 500 metre walk from the car carriers to the station waiting room was refreshing to say the least!

The shots below show our train waiting at Kolari. We had a pair of Dr16 diesel-electric locos as far as Oulu, where an Sr2 electric took over - the line to Kolari isn't electrified. Note the gen van immediately behind the locos.
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From memory, the consist was two car carriers, five older-style sleeping cars, the restaurant, a double-deck seated coach, and two or three double-deck sleeper cars of the more modern variety.

Going north I had a deluxe berth with ensuite shower and toilet. These are very comfortable and quiet, given their distance from the wheel sets. Coming back south I decided to try out the older stock. I was right over one of the bogies so it was quite loud in the compartment and I didn't get much sleep. Something to consider. Here we are about to board the sleeper car at Kolari:
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Overall it was a fantastic experience and would recommend it to anyone wanting to bring their own vehicle to Lapland without wanting to drive it all the way there!

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Thanks for the update, pictures and glad it all went well. VR run a pretty smooth operation and the night trains are highly regarded. Just a note to anything thinking of doing this - BOOK EARLY!!! I was working in Oulu a couple of weeks ago and could only get a sitting place on the train back - sleeper cabins are booked solid throughout the skiing season - had to come back by that most "quality" of airlines..Finnair :(

-20C ... refreshing :) The snow went in Helsinki after your trip, but now it is back.

The line from Kemi (where it branches off to Rovaniemi) to Tornio/Haparanda has now been electrified in preparation for services into Sweden. The night train to Kolari will probably continue to change locomotives at Oulu due to that's where the main depot is.
 
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