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I'm wondering if there are any canals that have been ripped out and have become railways. Given our past with canals, it's a lot of reasonably straight corridors to run a train down!

Also whether there are any dried up canals, disused canals, etc in the country which would be viable to become train lines.

Given Birmingham's over capacity and it's canal network, is there anything usable there?
 
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Part of the failed Salisbury and Southampton canal was filled in and used for trackbed of the line from Southampton to Romsey, via Redbridge.
 

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Canals aren't that straight, following the contour line, so are very curvy. If not, they have locks which take them up and down hills.

West Croydon station is built on the site of the canal basin for the Croydon Canal, and some of the line from there to New Cross Gate is built on the line of the canal. http://www.canalmuseum.org.uk/history/croydon.htm

The Strood tunnel in Kent was originally a canal tunnel -- for the Thames and Medway canal, intended to give navy ships a shorter route to the Thames.
 

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I think bits of the WLL follow an older canal route, somewhere between Kenny O and West Brompton rings a bell...
 

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When the MS&L built their line from Mexborough to Sheffield they filled in a couple of the sections of the canal in Rotherham which they also owned and diverted it to run along the River Don. In one case this was to use the canal bridge under the Midland (ex Sheffield and Rotherham) line to Rotherham Westgate station as the Midland had refused them permission for a new bridge.
 

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The Burry Port and Gwendreath Valley railway was built on the former Kymer Canal, leading to Kidwelly, with a line branching from Trimsaran to the Docks at Burryport. Due the extremely low headroom provided by the canal overbridges, only locos of reduced height could work the line.
 

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The Churnet Valley line was also built on what was the Uttoxeter canal. This is the section beyond Kingsley & Froghall towards Alton & Uttoxeter.

The Caldon Canal of course runs alongside the preserved section of the Churnet Valley line.
 

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The Strood tunnel in Kent was originally a canal tunnel -- for the Thames and Medway canal, intended to give navy ships a shorter route to the Thames.

Yep, and the bit in the middle where you come out into daylight for a few seconds is apparently where the canal boats used to pass each other.
 

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The Hereford and Gloucester canal was partly built on by the now closed railway from Gloucester to Ledbury. Parts can still found especially near Newent where a tunnel can be found. There is a preservation society that is looking to convert the abandoned railway back into a canal!
http://www.h-g-canal.org.uk/
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Another canal that had a railway built on part of it was is the leominster canal. Part of the Tenbury and Bewdley Railway railway was built on it.
 

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The line from Carlisle to Port Carlisle was built in an old canal from the old 'Canal Yard' most of the way. With fairly flat land along the route there probably wasn't much issue with contour hugging causing tight curves.
 

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Also whether there are any dried up canals, disused canals, etc in the country which would be viable to become train lines.

Given Birmingham's over capacity and it's canal network, is there anything usable there?

Viable? Maybe. Usable without a big fight, almost none. Most abandoned canals that are not already under a railway have a preservation movement, most of which are actively undertaking that preservation.

And I've worked on quite a few of those as a volunteer. For a start I spent a large chunk of my life working on the Hereford and Gloucester basin at Over. I also live on a boat on a restored canal, the Basingstoke.

Many, if not most, canals arena't all that suitable, at least for a modern non-freight railway, they are either Contour Canals, which wind along at the same level for long distances, taking huge detours, without changing levels, with curves that callenge even a 70ft boat, or ones with changes of level that would be a problem for a railway. The ones that were suitable tended to have had railways built on, or in some cases beside, them...

In Birmingham most of the out of use canals have been built on or are short. The reason the Birmingham Canal Navigations was in intensive use for so many years after the railways arrived, and thus survived to this day, is that it wasn't practical to replace them with railways so factories kept using them. Where sections of the BCN have closed it is usually because someone built a road or factory on them.

What is/was feasible and common is the use of the same corridor. The stretch of the SW Main Line from West Byfleet to Farnborough follows the canal. The reasons for this are threefold, first the canal often follows the best geographical route (gaps in hills etc.), secondly the population centres or industries are served and thirdly the population centres and industries have often been influenced by the canal. For instance the army camps at Aldershot were built where they were, rather than another bit of heathland, because of the availability of material and ammunition transport by canal.

Often the last burst of profitability a canal saw was due to the traffic that built the railway that took its trade. That was certainly true of the Basingstoke.

The section of railway in Portsmouth is that between Portsmouth & Southsea and Fratton stations. The towpath is extant as a footpath elsewhere and the lock into Langstone Harbour also exists. This was part of the Portsmouth and Arundel Canal that linked the two places and allowed traffic to and from London via the Wey and Arun Junction Canal, the River Wey Navigation and the Thames. The P&A is under active restoration for the section that forms the Chichester Canal, the W&A is under active restoration for its whole length.

IIRC there was a bit of a fight going on between canal restoration and railway preservation groups over the Utoxeter Canal, which was later built over by a railway that is now closed. But now the plan is to for the canal to parallel the railway and use it to bring in materials.
 

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From Norwood Junction to London Bridge used to be a Canal, you still see bull rushes growing along the line and also the remains of the locks.
 

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From Norwood Junction to London Bridge used to be a Canal, you still see bull rushes growing along the line and also the remains of the locks.

That's interesting; are these lock remains visible from the railway?
 

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I'm having unclean visions of a 142 slowly drowning in a lock <D
 

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From Norwood Junction to London Bridge used to be a Canal, you still see bull rushes growing along the line and also the remains of the locks.

Actually from West Croydon Station to around New Cross Gate, and only parts of the line of the canal were used (otherwise there would be no lock remains to see).

The canal was the Croydon Canal, West Croydon Station was build on the terminal basin at Croydon. There is a section still in water in Betts Park, Anerley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_Canal
 
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The Highbridge - Glastonbury section of the Somerset & Dorset was originally a canal.

the Camerton to Limpley Stoke branch (as used in the Titfield Thunderbolt) was originally the Somerset Coal Canal

The Liskaerd to Looe line was built along a canal towpath
 

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The Hereford and Gloucester canal was partly built on by the now closed railway from Gloucester to Ledbury. Parts can still found especially near Newent where a tunnel can be found. There is a preservation society that is looking to convert the abandoned railway back into a canal!
http://www.h-g-canal.org.uk/

I've explored most of the Hereford & Gloucester canal route. There is an amazing amount of the old canal bed still traceable as it crosses the railway formation like a sine wave. I wonder if the restored canal will follow the original course and hug the contours or use the railway earthworks and follow a straighter course? It is not clear from the restoration website.
The largest surviving canal section, as you say, is north of Newent where the railway avoided the Oxenhall Tunnel and took a new course to the west passing through Four Oaks Halt.

A few pictures of the H&G remains here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/3171273323/in/set-72157612212739272
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/3172096200/in/set-72157612212739272
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/2849749240/in/set-72157612212739272
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/4509129642/in/set-72157612212739272
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/4508425841/in/set-72157612212739272
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/3644559167/in/set-72157612212739272
 

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I wonder if the restored canal will follow the original course and hug the contours or use the railway earthworks and follow a straighter course? It is not clear from the restoration website.

Highly unlikely (ie. No). The engineering requirements are very different.

Canals climb hills very differently to Railways. Canals are flat between locks whilst railways have steady gradients plus minimum radius is much less of a problem with a canal than for a railway route. On a canal you minimise changes of level and make them, if you can, all at one point.

You would also have to work out a way of placing a waterproof channel up on the railway embankments (which generally slope). Along the existing canal line you have a nice channel already lined with Puddled Clay that you can patch and mend where required.

In any case, that wouldn't be a 'Restoration'. You would miss out most of the remaining canal features.


You wouldn't think that lock had been basically taken apart and put back together would you? It has - for one weekend I was one of the ones that did it. As it is listed we had to put back or recreate exactly all the old patching it had received over the years.
 

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Part of the Charnwood Forest Canal in Leicestershire, after closure was built over by the Charnwood Forest Railway, which has long closed too.
 

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Actually from West Croydon Station to around New Cross Gate, and only parts of the line of the canal were used (otherwise there would be no lock remains to see).

The canal was the Croydon Canal, West Croydon Station was build on the terminal basin at Croydon. There is a section still in water in Betts Park, Anerley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_Canal

Picture of the Betts Park section here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/2886396483/

IIRC the canal formation crosses the railway formation at the site of Annerley station at a 90 degree angle.
 

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Part of the Bristol to Exeter line between Taunton and Wellington is built on the route of the Grand Western Canal. In Taunton itself the former freight avoiding line and freight yards used land formerly used by the canal.
 

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Whilst I do not know how much (if any) of the trackbed got built directly on the canal route, the disused Hallatrow-Limpley Stoke line in Somerset
(which conected the Bristol & North Somerset and Wessex Main Lines) followed the disused sections of the Somerset Coal Canal for much of its route and I know the routes are very close at certain points (such as east Combe Hay).
 

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Whilst I do not know how much (if any) of the trackbed got built directly on the canal route, the disused Hallatrow-Limpley Stoke line in Somerset
(which conected the Bristol & North Somerset and Wessex Main Lines) followed the disused sections of the Somerset Coal Canal for much of its route and I know the routes are very close at certain points (such as east Combe Hay).

There you go, part of a series of maps that show you just how close they were:

http://www.coalcanal.org/maps/m07.htm

By coincidence some friends are working on the Coombe Hay Locks this weekend.
 

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Whilst I do not know how much (if any) of the trackbed got built directly on the canal route, the disused Hallatrow-Limpley Stoke line in Somerset
(which conected the Bristol & North Somerset and Wessex Main Lines) followed the disused sections of the Somerset Coal Canal for much of its route and I know the routes are very close at certain points (such as east Combe Hay).


I would asume they must be quite closely related as the Somerset Coal Canal has an ELR SCZ.
 

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The line from Carlisle to Port Carlisle was built in an old canal from the old 'Canal Yard' most of the way. With fairly flat land along the route there probably wasn't much issue with contour hugging causing tight curves.
Funny I just bought a 1963 one-inch map of Carlisle which shows part of this railway extant, it is rather "wiggly" though compared to other lines entering Carlisle.
 

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