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So is the idea of a "connection" not really in current railway thinking anymore?
Some places are a lot better than others. Chester and Shrewsbury spring to mind even between TOCs At Chester Avanti and TfW would wait a few minutes to for each other.

I remember back in the day when Cardiff to Taunton was loco hauled. There was some problem west of Cardiff so all the Paddington trains were not running or very late. Everyone piled on to the Taunton train having been told to go via Bristol Temple Meads. Predictably it was held at a red signal outside. The guard came on the PA and cheerily announced don't worry, I've spoken with control, they are going to hold the London train. It seems that no one told that platform staff! Just as the HST started to move, the first of a big group of angry people got to the top step and started to surround the dispatcher.
 
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Well, the 2042 was three or so minutes late and it ran on perfectly nicely on greens to London. If my train had been so late that the mainline one had gone, so be it. It was that they pulled in at virtually the same time and no connection was held that vexes. As a DOO driver above has said - if it’s in the peak, devil take the hindmost; if it’s off peak have a little bit of consideration. I wasn’t asking for a 5 minute hold; I was asking for 15 seconds. And, as I was there, the passengers were all able bodied, but I’m not that sure that seeing a wheelchair and giving the right away is especially clever.

Many moons ago I had a 1 minute connection at Purley involving stairs. Sometimes I made it, more often I didn’t. It was at 08:30. I never expected the train to be held. It was a high peak, unadvertised connection. I certainly never contemplated complaining even if I got up the stairs as the train left. The 12 coaches’ passengers were more important than me.

And, I am afraid Mr/Ms Seagull Real-time trains arrival and departures may not be correct to the second. (PS - thanks for taking a more considerate line than others)
 

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I'm afraid this isn't true. The NRCoT make clear where the lines of contract lie, they are between the ticket holder and the companies on whose trains they may use the ticket.
Exactly so - and it is therefore BOTH companies are jointly responsible for getting you to your destination as close as reasonably practicable to the scheduled time. In this instance EMT, faced with a failed Nottingham service, tried to do the best by all their passengers by having the Northgate service make the three intermediate stops the Nottingham would have made (and waited at Lincoln for said passengers to cross the footbridge). But EC then shafted them by not holding the connection at Newark for the minute or so it would have taken to maintain the connection -I was by no means the first off the 153, but was able to get across the platform and physically touch the door button of the IC225 (in the mistaken belief the guard would see what was happening and release the doors again) before it started to move.
Of course the entire 60 minutes delay repay compensation was attributed to EMR, despite their train being only five minutes late. 100% compensation. I don't know how much revenue EMT got for London- Lincoln tickets, but only about 12% of the mileage is with them so effectively they were probably paying back not 100% of the revenue but nearer 1000%.
And to rub salt in it, RTT showed the London train arrived at Kings Cross (without us) five minutes early. So, indeed, did several of the non-stoppers that raced past the now-crowded platform whilst we waited for another train. No special stop order for us - not EC's problem - we don't matter.
 
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Norwich were always very efficient at managing branch line connections from the late running Intercities - it would be a shame if that has been sacrificed to driver self dispatch. That being said I suppose the IC trains are less often a few minutes late now with the 745s.
Works the other way too. They used to hold the rear door open on the loco hauled sets and usher everyone from a late local train on through there. With a 745 a three minute late departure would make no difference anyway. It would be waiting time by Ipswich.
 

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Well, then it was even more straightforward than now, as the Severn Beach trains used to arrive at the platform in the "old station", directly cross-platform from the tip of the main Up departure platfrom, used by any through trains to the north. in fact they used to stop right across from the just-changed locomotive, the easiest connection of all. The northbound train couldn't start to be got away until the Severn Beach train had arrived because the latter used to cross it's path right there to get onto the old Midland line exit from Bristol.

Sorry about that one @BR! Personal oversight by self at the end of that same Bristol platform, same time, used to be the favoured enthsiasts' lair, right there.

Ah thanks.

I suppose in a similar case then, ie Beach train arriving 9 minutes late with a conflicting path to an on time northbound express, the beach train would have been held outside to give the express preference, and the situation wouldn’t have arisen at all.
 

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Exactly so - and it is therefore BOTH companies are jointly responsible for getting you to your destination as close as reasonably practicable to the scheduled time.
Well, yes, but that doesn't mean you have a contractual right to expect trains to be held for you.

In this instance EMT, faced with a failed Nottingham service, tried to do the best by all their passengers by having the Northgate service make the three intermediate stops the Nottingham would have made (and waited at Lincoln for said passengers to cross the footbridge).
So EMT caused the delay. Right.

But EC then shafted them by not holding the connection at Newark for the minute or so it would have taken to maintain the connection -I was by no means the first off the 153, but was able to get across the platform and physically touch the door button of the IC225 (in the mistaken belief the guard would see what was happening and release the doors again) before it started to move.
The EC train may, or may not, have been held if the guard on the EMT service had phoned Control and asked. But the EC guard won't, on their own volition, intentionally delay the departure of their own train unless they can explain it in a way that won't result in them taking the delay minutes.

Of course the entire 60 minutes delay repay compensation was attributed to EMR, despite their train being only five minutes late. 100% compensation. I don't know how much revenue EMT got for London- Lincoln tickets, but only about 12% of the mileage is with them so effectively they were probably paying back not 100% of the revenue but nearer 1000%.
This is immaterial and it's baked into the cost of running the service. Their train was late; they were not hard done by.

And to rub salt in it, RTT showed the London train arrived at Kings Cross (without us) five minutes early. So, indeed, did several of the non-stoppers that raced past the now-crowded platform whilst we waited for another train. No special stop order for us - not EC's problem - we don't matter.
A SSO puts in about five or six minutes onto a train's schedule once you factor in the deceleration, dwell, and acceleration. Most of the "early running" into King's Cross comes from "padding" at the very south end of the trip. Making a train five minutes late at Newark doesn't mean it then has a clear run and won't be delayed further en route. EC have a responsibility to all of their passengers, not just you, but also those for whom 5-10 minutes late at King's Cross causes them a delay or missed connection.

The question is philosophical - should everyone travelling on the railway be prepared to accept delays of, say, 5-20 minutes on longer trips because the railway routinely holds trains? Or, should the railway try to keep passengers on time all the time, and accept that sometimes, a small number of passengers who miss connections caused by other delays just have to lump it?

Unfortunately, things like controlling a train service and explaining it to people aren't easy. You really do have to go and see it for yourself, by working in a Control room, or being a guard for a few years - how very small attritional delays can cause a larger systemic failure. I spent a couple of years working in XC Control and just a week or so watching CCF for 12 hours a day will show you how quickly things can turn strange thanks to a single minute or two too long in section.
 

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And running around a station is hazardous for oneself and others. I saw two people drop dead with heart attacks running for trains. It is never worth it.
About 40/45 years ago, I saw a "man under" at Lancaster. It really wasn't worth it for him. All these years later I can still hear his wife's frightened voice "where's my husband" and the station man's reply "he went under the train."
 

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Connections at a multi-platform station like Bristol (in the peak) could be any combination of directions from any combination of directions., it is completely unfeasible to know what they all might be, even if you do know what are the traditional flows. And then which ones should be held? And which of the connections on that held train should be held later on? It becomes a minefield.

As many have pointed out, the railway does have connectional policies in certain places (in fact GWR have many on their Devon and Cornwall branches) which are applied almost daily. But it cannot handle every situation without also impacting a lot of other passengers. Passengers are said to want the same thing but in reality they don't and actually their demands with regards to timetables and connections in a local area can often be completely contradictory!

The latter point is well made. People wanting the connection will naturally want the other train held. Those on the other train may well be disgruntled about being delayed.

As has been stated elsewhere, the solution at root is to have everything running right time in the first place.
 

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About 40/45 years ago, I saw a "man under" at Lancaster. It really wasn't worth it for him.
About twenty years ago I was a "man under" through tripping when running for a train and falling headfirst through The Gap. Fortunately the train wasn't moving and the despatcher saw me, so I got away with ten stiches in a head wound, concussion, a sprained shoulder and a strong aversion to running on station platforms. I ended up rather later for work than I already was - two days off. I was also rather unpopular with the Mrs, who had to do all the driving on a trip to Scotland two days later.

This was third rail land. I was VERY lucky.

As my manager said when I reported in sick from the hospital "better late in this world than early in the next"
 

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Delays need to be investigated so that they can be properly managed going forward. It isn't about "blame". Just because some people abuse the attribution process and many (politicians, general public, press, and sometimes railway employees included) like to take a cheap shot at the process does not mean it has no purpose.

"Once the train loses its path, it loses its priority and trains running on-time will be put ahead of it." is not universally true either.
Agree with everything you said - and I'm aware as a driver it's not universally true, especially for toc-on-toc delays, however I was trying to keep things simple :)
 

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Ah thanks.

I suppose in a similar case then, ie Beach train arriving 9 minutes late with a conflicting path to an on time northbound express, the beach train would have been held outside to give the express preference, and the situation wouldn’t have arisen at all.
Well, not really, I understand here the Severn Beach train was at a stand a minute or so before the main line departure, right under the nose of the old Bristol East signalbox; the departure signal would not be green yet, and the old departure process would just start as it did so (always a bit of a spectacle, it being a significantly convex curved platform, with whistles and about three porters strung along the length to handsignal forward). As they did so, the platform inspector, or more likely the front porter, would be shouting "Leeds train" to those getting off the Severn Beach, and holding a door until the last second for any of them. Get any of them in was the key point, only then give the tip to the Peak driver (or, in my most youthful times, that old Bristol stalwart 45519 Lady Godiva), and off all would go.

I suspect any platform inspector who slammed the doors in the face of connecting passengers would soon be in the stationmaster's office, hat on, no tea or biscuits. Because that's what the job was, get the train on its way with the passengers in it. Both items. I do get the impression from some of the comments above that there is a certain supercilious smugness about people being seconds too late for the railway's convenience.
 

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Before anyone reads this, bear in mind I know nothing.

It does feel like a common sense one. Obviously the dispatch staff in a busy station like Bristol TM can hold a train without due authority, and the Network Rail/Cross Country people can't make that decision if they are not told. I, like I'm sure many people, have been in the same or very similar situations.

I've had it with a late running northbound Cross Country service to Manchester, which would have meant me missing my Birmingham New Street Cross Country to Leeds connection. The train manager said they were going to try to get the Leeds service held, but as we came out of the tunnel at New Street I could see it departing at the other side of the station.

What frustrates though, is I've been on a Cross Country train where it was held at station because of another late running service had passengers who needed to board. So it seems they can do it when they want to?

When people talk about knock on delays, which I can understand, I thought they built recovery time into time tables?

I also been on trains, where they've had additional stop to drop off a member of staff (don't know how official this was though) - which surely would add a delay to a journey?
 

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But the Severn Beach train was the only late arrival around that time. Surely it's possible to quickly check if any passengers were bound for the departure at the adjacent platform? Maybe it all boiled down to how proactive (or not) the guard on the late-running Severn Beach train was.
The Severn Beach train was the only late arrival partly due to the policy of not holding connections. If connections were routinely held, then no doubt the incoming service from Bath (for example - I haven't looked at the timetable) may well also have been delayed by connections at Westbury and so on, until the entire network falls apart. Keeping everything running as far as possible to time, maximising frequencies, and generous delay payouts really is the only sensible way to operate.
 

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I've had it with a late running northbound Cross Country service to Manchester, which would have meant me missing my Birmingham New Street Cross Country to Leeds connection. The train manager said they were going to try to get the Leeds service held, but as we came out of the tunnel at New Street I could see it departing at the other side of the station.
Not much chance getting one of those held I'm afraid, unless the moon is full and hell has frozen over.

What frustrates though, is I've been on a Cross Country train where it was held at station because of another late running service had passengers who needed to board. So it seems they can do it when they want to?
Yes they can do it - when it is convenient and will not result in a potential headache. The reasons for this are upthread.

When people talk about knock on delays, which I can understand, I thought they built recovery time into time tables?
Yes, there is recovery time, in some timetables (and often not a lot of it!) but that isn't there specifically to compensate for intentionally delaying trains enroute to pick up passengers who would otherwise miss a connection. It's what I call "BS time", where it's there to compensate for all the BS that happens day to day. Dodgy door needing to be reset at a station, drunk person holding a door, no dispatch staff turned up, etc etc. You never want to use it.

I also been on trains, where they've had additional stop to drop off a member of staff (don't know how official this was though) - which surely would add a delay to a journey?
Sometimes these are booked stops, and sometimes they are done for absolute operational necessity during disruption - that is, it's worth taking the potential delay minutes because that train manager or driver *has* to be there to operate another train.

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The Severn Beach train was the only late arrival partly due to the policy of not holding connections. If connections were routinely held, then no doubt the incoming service from Bath (for example - I haven't looked at the timetable) may well also have been delayed by connections at Westbury and so on, until the entire network falls apart. Keeping everything running as far as possible to time, maximising frequencies, and generous delay payouts really is the only sensible way to operate.
Indeed - but not many people here can really see the very big picture. Some people would just prefer that trains run routinely late and you know, if that causes even more connections to foul, so be it. Fortunately they are not in the business of running trains because that's one way to totally ruin how the British railway network works - it's very tight, very busy, and a lot of connecting traffic.
 

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Trains are allocated a path, and, particularly at a busy place like Temple Meads, unless absolutely unavoidable, have to stick to these paths. The network is an extremely complex jigsaw puzzle, and just one piece slightly out of place can cause chaos.
 

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As frustrating as it is, I've learned to basically not trust connections anymore. There's just too much that can go wrong. Always have a backup plan and build in more time to your journey than what the journey planners actually say. Of course that does and will put people off using the railway, but that is the reality of it.
 

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Alas, the way the mainland U.K. railways are run is not very good IMHO.

Partly this is due to to trying to run lots of trains on infrastructure that has capacity issues, especially at inflexible junction layouts and where lines have been singled (Network Rail and the predecessor companies prefer simple junctions to reduce maintenance costs). If everything is running on time, this works. But as soon as that is not the case, some trains will have to be regulated. Meaning they get delayed.

And partly this is due to the way that timetables and train priorities are decided. Should long distance cross country services instead have the highest priority? Should faster, but more frequent services (especially those trains that use more modern stock that has faster acceleration characteristics) have their priority dropped down a level? This would give long distance cross country services a fighting chance to reduce the amount of possible accumulated delay. As they would then get priority over all other traffic. Not a total solution obviously.

Similarly, turn around times may be insufficient to cope with a reasonable delay to the incoming service if it is late.

And it is strange that some services have dwell times of up to around ten minutes, but others have very little dwell times.

Some trains have ‘engineering’ or other allowances, while others don’t.

Combined, it’s all of the above that causes the ‘knock on’ delays.

Personally, I think increased station dwell times (within reason) and more allowances (also within reason) rather than a timetable that goes for minimum travel time, if it results in a more reliable service would be preferred by the majority of passengers. How many passengers do you think decide on which train to use based on the difference in journey times of say six minutes or less?

And some so called clock face timetables have departure or arrival times that vary by as much as ten minutes, this causes various problems when passengers don’t realise this.

To all the current and former control staff that have comments here about so called train paths and about the impact of one minutes delay, I have a question. If small amounts of delay cause the overall delay to accelerate, and this causes it to all fall apart, how on earth do we manage to run any train service when infrastructure problems cause delays? IMHO control are sometimes the cause of problems getting worse because of the time it takes for a decision to be made, or where they fail to take the local situation into account. The number of times I have heard signallers comment on an unsatisfactory control decision is rather large.

We (the railway) are also not very good at communicating to our customers (the passengers). It should be made crystal clear if a connection is never guaranteed, or if it may be maintained. With it clearly explained on what they should do if the train they are on is running behind schedule.

It appears to be typical political like misleading information. The railway likes to encourage passengers to travel via connections, advertises this in timetables and elsewhere, but often is very reluctant to honour said connections when trains are delayed. And if there is another train scheduled within 60 minutes, often don’t want to help their customers, even if it is likely that that later scheduled service itself may be running late.

I don’t know about currently, but prior to COVID19, the morning rush hour local Severn Beach and Avonmouth services into BTM around 8 to 9 in the morning were rammed full between Montpelier and BTM. So back then it would have been impossible for a guard (TM) to walk through the train, let alone do anything else. And due to the frequent and closely spaced station stops, that keeps them busy anyway.

Beyond Narroways Junction, the line to Severn Beach is only a single line with passing loops at Clifton Down and Avonmouth. And trains on this line are often bottom of the priority list.

But don't platform staff have access to how trains are running (see photo). As mentioned above, with a reduction in service frequencies, maybe connections (or the lack of) need to be taken more seriously, both in control and on the actual platform.
There are some of these displays on BTM station, but not many. And the vast majority of the customer information screens (CIS) don’t display train arrival details as an ‘arrivals’ display. Most either only show departures, or show the current and next train from a particular platform.

Trains are allocated a path, and, particularly at a busy place like Temple Meads, unless absolutely unavoidable, have to stick to these paths. The network is an extremely complex jigsaw puzzle, and just one piece slightly out of place can cause chaos.
How well it works also very much depends on how experienced the signaller for that area is. The train paths are not always fixed in stone.

And it should be easier to run trains outside the scheduled ‘path’ now that there are now six lines at Bristol East Junction (up from five), four lines up the Filton bank to Filton Abbey Wood (up from two). Plus three lines on the Bristol side of Stoke Gifford West junction (up from two). And four platforms at Bristol Parkway.

Unfortunately I don’t see any likelihood that anything will change with regards to improving the situation with connections anytime in the near future.
 

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What frustrates though, is I've been on a Cross Country train where it was held at station because of another late running service had passengers who needed to board. So it seems they can do it when they want to?

When people talk about knock on delays, which I can understand, I thought they built recovery time into time tables?

I also been on trains, where they've had additional stop to drop off a member of staff (don't know how official this was though) - which surely would add a delay to a journey?
  • Yes if its is convenient and won't impact other things dramatically - this may often be the case if there is a large service gap or often for last trains this will be done to prevent an either bigger headache of arranging alternative transport / hotels etc.
  • Recovery time is split into a number of different ways for either engineering or performance reasons. It might be due to to capacity constraints or the chance of a conflict at a junction. It is not universal to all trains however and might be eaten up on a regular basis anyway. It is essentially a way to keep the booked arrival and departures trains at a standard.
  • Dropping off an member of staff (a stop for staff purposes only) is normally to ensure a driver or guard can get to a station which often (but not always) has a branch or where a train will originate because of some form of service disruption where there original train from A-B is cancelled and A-C will call additionally at B. It essentially prevents further cancellations and disruption for a usually small (1-2 minute) stopping penalty. This is when the "big picture" comes in - is it worthwhile to have delay to that service to ensure other services aren't cancelled? The calculation & answer will often be "yes".
 

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Some trains have ‘engineering’ or other allowances, while others don’t.

engineering allowance is mandated in timetables on given stretches of line. For example every passenger train running between MK and Euston has 2 minutes engineering allowance, [1] south of Ledburn Jn, [1] south of Wembley.

the other allowances, pathing, performance, and passenger differential, will vary due to the nature of the timetable, the known characteristics of the particualr train, and the TOCs policy.
 

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To all the current and former control staff that have comments here about so called train paths and about the impact of one minutes delay, I have a question. If small amounts of delay cause the overall delay to accelerate, and this causes it to all fall apart, how on earth do we manage to run any train service when infrastructure problems cause delays? IMHO control are sometimes the cause of problems getting worse because of the time it takes for a decision to be made, or where they fail to take the local situation into account. The number of times I have heard signallers comment on an unsatisfactory control decision is rather large.

By making service alterations in good time - not to call orders, running fast, terminating short, diverting etc. Or if its really bad, you just cancel a whole service group and lay on the buses/taxis. A lot of this comes into local knowledge (where might the train lose more time & what traditionally has happened in the same scenario & what time of day is it) as well as knowing what the stock and crew are doing next and the turnaround of the next train. But yes not being proactive can cause problems to snowball - sometimes you need to bite the bullet and just cancel a return working (considering whether cancelling one trip occupies a platform for too long and can be accommodated). Ultimately decisions are often judgment call and it doesn't always work as planned when there's so much to consider, but you strive to make the best possible decision in what can sometimes be a rapidly changing scenario.

There are also contingency plans in place for certain lines which essentially mandate which services are amended in the event of X lines being blocked.
 
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Maybe timetables could be adjusted to allow twenty minutes to connect between trains.

Perhaps though people would then complain about long waits in the cold (or hot) weather?
 

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Maybe timetables could be adjusted to allow twenty minutes to connect between trains.

Perhaps though people would then complain about long waits in the cold (or hot) weather?
I’m not sure that is a solution. I know of a station where there is a sometimes a 25 to 35 minute wait when changing from one service to another. Is that acceptable?

IMHO the railways need to be clear and honest with passengers on what a connection actually means. And do far more to improve the overall reliability and resilience of the timetabled services.

If there are less late trains, then there will be less lost connections. And hopefully, less cancelled or part cancelled (run fast/terminated short/etc.) services as well.

But I don’t see where the money to help with this will come from :(
 

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Maybe timetables could be adjusted to allow twenty minutes to connect between trains.

Perhaps though people would then complain about long waits in the cold (or hot) weather?


It's impossible. There are too many trains, too many stations and too many routes to have everything line up perfectly. If you have two trains connecting nicely at station A, they aren't going to be in sync with the rest of the network by the time the first train has reached station C and the second train has reached station J, and that's using the most overly simplified example I can think of.

This thread just proves (yet again) that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Some people will want you to hold a train for them, but they might change their mind if you point out that holding the train here not only makes everybody on it late, but could cause a bunch of other people to miss their connection further down the line.

Anything you can think of as a solution won't be perfect. There will always be edge cases where things don't work, there will always be situations where infrastructure, capacity, budget, or any number of other variables will prevent something from happening. Obviously you want to run direct trains on the routes with most demand and frequent services at junctions which see a lot of interchange. A tight connection from an hourly service to another hourly service is going to miss and disappoint people more often than it should, but they make up a small part of the overall travelling public and the network does work for how most people want to travel.
 

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Maybe timetables could be adjusted to allow twenty minutes to connect between trains.

Perhaps though people would then complain about long waits in the cold (or hot) weather?
They will always find something to moan about. It’s the British way. Many connecting branches are not flexible with single lines etc. I’d rather have a swift connection that I make much of the time. You just have to accept that now & again you won’t.
 

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Perhaps the question could be why are we still accepting reduced timetables and frequencies. Services are getting much busier yet many frequencies are still lower than pre covid

Hourly XC to Man Picc anyone?
 

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Services are getting much busier yet many frequencies are still lower than pre covid

they are not getting busier, though. At least not on a national basis. Rail use has flatlined for two months now.
 

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they are not getting busier, though. At least not on a national basis. Rail use has flatlined for two months now.
I wonder if the uncertainty over the Covid situation isn't helping numbers increase. Hopefully after the Winter more commuters might return to the office. Obviously will be nowhere near pre covid levels, but even a slight increase would be good.
 

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So on the topic of unauthorised holds, has anyone ever felt the need to help out a fellow passenger? Helping someone who you can see running full tilt over a bridge to catch the train you've just jumped on or been on for any length of time?
Or a elderly person who trying to make the same connection as you but is struggling with the stairs/lifts?
I know my foot has got in the way of the sensor on a couple of occasions when the guard has made the decision to close the doors, and my door miraculously doesn't close allowing just enough time for someone to make the train. The good part is 10-20 second door blockages don't generally get picked up on the onboard CCTV quickly enough for you to get in trouble.
Yes, I have done that several times. Usually if I get to the train just as the doors are about to close and I know there's someone who is struggling (elderly, in a wheelchair, waiting for the lift etc) I'll have a word with the Guard/TM - who usually then hold off.

But that's the point for the "it's only 15 seconds" argument. Especially in these days of equality you can't open the doors for the fit and able but shut them against the guy in a wheelchair who will take three or four minutes longer to get there.
 

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Fundamental problem: everyone wants/expects their train to run on time except for the time that they're late for it (for whatever reason)

ISTR that back in the days of printed timetables being almost the sole source of information for journey planning, they often contained a note saying "connections are shown for guidance only and are NOT guaranteed". Maybe this needs to be incorporated into on-line journey planners
 

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I would have thought that anybody who books trains tickets, whether they are a heavy rail user or not know that connections are never gaurenteed? Everybody knows that on all forms of public transport delays will occur from time to time, I don't think it needs journey planners to state connections are not gaurenteed when it should be so obvious.

What I accept is not as obvious to people is that the entire rail network is very complex and even a 30 second delay could end up turning into an half an hour delay or longer delay when they are stuck at signals, or behind slow moving trains as they have lost their "right of way" as they are a minute or so late therefore don't take priority over trains which are running to their correct schedule.

That will not be as obvious to some people especially if they are not a heavy train user.

But I find it hard to believe that any person in their right mind thinks that connections are 100% gaurenteed 100% of the time.

In my life of what I can recall I have only missed my connection once, and that was ok as it was only a 2 minute journey from that station to my end point so I just walked it! I have certainly been very tight on several occasions where I have galloped up a few steps at once, sprinted over the bridge and skipped down 3 or 4 steps at a time and literally squeezed through the train doors as they was closing. It helps that I am very fit and agile so I stand a greater chance of racing from one end of the station to the other in under a minute, but of course I recognise not everybody is like that.
 
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