Can class 91s haul Freight Stock?

[60163tornado]

Can class 91s haul freight stock as they have two ends, compatible for both directions:??

 

[455driver]

Yes they can but no they wont.

They are a loco and any loco can do anything, its just that most locos are better at some things and worse at others.

 

[jopsuk]

Can class 91s haul freight stock as they have two ends, compatible for both directions:??

That was the intention- that they'd run freight at night, needing less maintenance than HSTs/diesel locos that the displace/replaced. Reality was that they got worked harder on passenger services than originally envisaged, so there don't have the down time- plus they're geared for high speed passenger work. They might have been OK at doing mail and newspapers, but that traffic has gone (the only mail traffic these days is the West Coast using the 325s)

 

[willc789]

Has there been any recordings of them working freight stock of any kind? I've never come across a picture of one...

 

[Electrostar]

I love seeing the 91 running blunt end first. It looked quite special when the class was first released. When the 91s were refurbished did they do anything to the inside of the No 2 cab? I can't imagine it got much wear and tear.

 

[12CSVT]

When was the last time a class 91 hauled anything other than mk4s (other than on test runs following overhauls) ?

 

[Alan1310]

No 2 cab is still original apart from few new gauges here an there I know the roof will change with the new 2nd pantograph something to do with the cab air con if I remember

 

[43167]

When was the last time a class 91 hauled anything other than mk4s (other than on test runs following overhauls) ?

91117 hauled 43074 in November 2011 from NL to Doncaster before the powercar went forward to Loughbrough works for its MTU fitting.

Afew have hauled full HST's sets in the ECML in the last few years.

They did work parcels in the early 90's.

My 1st train hauled by one was on a rake of mark 2's.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

My 1st train hauled by one was on a rake of mark 2's.

That sounds like that would have been the 17.36 King's Cross - Peterborough ( usually the class 89's diagram ) during the running-in period for the 91s?

 

[43167]

That sounds like that would have been the 17.36 King's Cross - Peterborough ( usually the class 89's diagram ) during the running-in period for the 91s?

On this occassion, it was a Leeds service, very early January 1990 on a school theartre trip. 91004 not long after it had been named 'The Red Arrows'.

 

[TDK]

Can class 91s haul freight stock as they have two ends, compatible for both directions:??

Locos, well the 67's, have 2 brake modes, one is for coaching stock and one is for freight, if the 91 has this facility it can operate freight if not it can't.

 

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

the only mail traffic these days is the West Coast using the 325s

Did I read recently that mail traffic has re-started on the ECML between King's Cross and Low Fell?

 

[D6975]

When the ECML electrification started, the ECML sleepers were temporarily switched to the West coast. They were supposed to return to the ECML and be hauled by 91s when the ECML electrification was done. That just didn't happen of course, sleeper services were cut back and stayed on the WCML.

 

[Kali]

Locos, well the 67's, have 2 brake modes, one is for coaching stock and one is for freight, if the 91 has this facility it can operate freight if not it can't.

Everything has it - the timings are in a RSSB doc if anyone wants the details. Not all freight stock uses freight timing anymore though ( in fact most of it uses passenger timing now iirc, and liners always did ). I suspect the 67 does a little more than alter the brake timing, however.

 

[ash39]

Did I read recently that mail traffic has re-started on the ECML between King's Cross and Low Fell?

There have been trains listed on realtimetrains.com, but as far as i know none have ran recently.

 

[bronzeonion]

What does the different brake 'mode' do?

 

[Alan1310]

Release timings iirc the class 91 does have a pass/goods switch it's on the brake frame though not in cab

 

[LE Greys]

There's a picture somewhere of one working a railtour in 1988 with the Intercity Charters set. I beleive she had to be shunted round the York triangle to do this, because she is facing south from York station.

 

[tomm]

No dont think they can i know 390s can as i saw a clip on youtube of 66847 pulling 390157 in north on the 5th April 2012 Tom

 

[Tomnick]

How do you conclude that a 390 can work a freight train (??) from the fact that one has been seen being dragged by something else?

 

[D365]

Did I read recently that mail traffic has re-started on the ECML between King's Cross and Low Fell?

Would that also be using 325s? There's 15 lying around, not sure how many are currently in use...

How do you conclude that a 390 can work a freight train (??) from the fact that one has been seen being dragged by something else?

You don't; 390s cannot work freight. But they can be rescued by locomotives like pretty much every train. Just because it works one way doesn't mean the flip side is valid.

 

[sprinterguy]

Would that also be using 325s? There's 15 lying around, not sure how many are currently in use...

The fifteen remaining class 325s are all quite active, given that the West Coast mail trains utilise them in anything up to 12-car formation, and there are several formations (Not all 12-car, mind) at various locations along the WCML at any one time.

When the Low Fell trains have been resurrected in the recent past at times of high demand, principally Christmas, they have utilised class 325s: There is no other rolling stock available that is suitable for the style of operation that Royal Mail favour.

 

[D365]

The fifteen remaining class 325s are all quite active, given that the West Coast mail trains utilise them in anything up to 12-car formation, and there are several formations (Not all 12-car, mind) at various locations along the WCML at any one time.

When the Low Fell trains have been resurrected in the recent past at times of high demand, principally Christmas, they have utilised class 325s: There is no other rolling stock available that is suitable for the style of operation that Royal Mail favour.

Glad to know 325 capacity is being utilised; converting to passenger stock is a non-starter

 

[Tomnick]

You don't; 390s cannot work freight. But they can be rescued by locomotives like pretty much every train. Just because it works one way doesn't mean the flip side is valid.

I know - my question was entirely in response to the uninformed gibber in the post above.

 

[Crossover]

No dont think they can i know 390s can as i saw a clip on youtube of 66847 pulling 390157 in north on the 5th April 2012 Tom

That would have been the delivery of 390157, bringing it up from Dollands Moor (if I remember correctly)

As with all the other such deliveries, you'll probably note there was a barrier vehicle before and after the Pendo to allow it to have the right couplings/connections for the 66.

Pendos can only natively be hauled by Class 57s (as far as locos are concerned) without any conversions

 

[Alan1310]

I think 390s can be rescued by anything I would think they will have emergency couplings that would mean it could be hauled to a safe place to detrain depending on the fault there would be no electrical power as there is no electrical connections using the emergency couplings as far as I am aware

 

[Scotrail84]

There's a picture somewhere of one working a railtour in 1988 with the Intercity Charters set. I beleive she had to be shunted round the York triangle to do this, because she is facing south from York station.

Here's a video from march 1991 with 91106 blunt end first hauling mk1s on a rail tour, from about 3 min 35 onwards.

http://youtu.be/ZlvE-Iysxkk

 

[LE Greys]

Here's a video from march 1991 with 91106 blunt end first hauling mk1s on a rail tour, from about 3 min 35 onwards.

http://youtu.be/ZlvE-Iysxkk

Nice one! That's the loco and the stock all right, but this was definitely sharp end first going south from York. Maybe it happened quite regularly.

Would IC stock have been used on parcels services much after sectorisation? Also, the supposed Class 88 (the electric freight loco they never built) was supposed to be a modular design with some sort of cabs. Imagine a double blunt end, or don't imagine if you have Photoshop.

 

[dubscottie]

Ive a pic that I can scan from an old RAIL mag of a 91 hauling GUV's. Ill scan it and post it and give credit to the original photographer. If its not against the rules!

 

[sprinterguy]

Nice one! That's the loco and the stock all right, but this was definitely sharp end first going south from York. Maybe it happened quite regularly.

It certainly happened a few times in the early days of the class, more than just the once.
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Ive a pic that I can scan from an old RAIL mag of a 91 hauling GUV's. Ill scan it and post it and give credit to the original photographer. If its not against the rules!

I'd certainly be interested in seeing that as I've never come across such an occurence before. I do still wonder whether it would have been as part of a test run - Using whatever rolling stock was spare at the time - rather than a scheduled parcels service though.