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Cheer Harz. The Routemasters are definately near the top of our to do list. Was initially a bit disappointed to learn they'd been withdrawn a couple of years ago but was mightyly pleased to find out about the heritage routes a few weeks ago. How long is the journey time on the routes?

It also seems quite fitting that we're staying in Borehamwood (on the Thameslink line with class 319 EMU's) after last week's announcement of the electricification of our local Liverpool to Manchester line. Will give us the chance to test out our "new" trains before we get them!

Also planned are trips to Legoland and maybe Chessington. Though I didn't realise we were staying so far away from them both (got a good deal on the hotel so snapped it up sharpish). Oh well looks like more train rides to get there!! ;)
 
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The Victorialine while the 67 stock is still on :D

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Cheer Harz. The Routemasters are definately near the top of our to do list. Was initially a bit disappointed to learn they'd been withdrawn a couple of years ago but was mightyly pleased to find out about the heritage routes a few weeks ago. How long is the journey time on the routes?

Your welcome. When I'm down in the smoke I usually do the RM nostalgia bit by starting at the 15 stop outside Tower Hill LUL Stn (first stop in service) and riding to the first stop immediately after Aldwych, which is the first in service stop for the 9 to to Royal Albert Hall. I am sure your son will be thrilled by the chance to sit behind the engine and pretend to drive! If you go to RAH and intend to return on the same route make sure that you get the conductor to point out where the return stop is!

You might be better off getting another bus from RAH along to Hammersmith and using the H&C Met line to get back to town?

The combined 15/9 run usually takes about 70 minutes to do including waiting times, if you want the actual running times go to the TFL website and put two dummy journeys in travelling between 0930/1900 (15 Tower Hill-Aldwych and 9 Aldwych-RAH).
 

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I not lying at all but I think there are some routemasters up there last time I went to central london (about two weeks ago) there were some In "Arriva" Livery,If Not the transport museum has some but It aint the same.

Anyway enjoy your trip mate,
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How long until the Route Masters are off the road completely? I recall hearing that they running them as some kind of heritage service on a special route? Is that correct?
 

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How long until the Route Masters are off the road completely? I recall hearing that they running them as some kind of heritage service on a special route? Is that correct?

Almost; they run a special heritage service over parts of two "normal" routes, the 9 and 15.

15 from Tower Hill to Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square; 9 from Aldwych to Royal Albert Hall, both routes overlap between Aldwych and Charing Cross and operate roughly between 0900 and 1900 daily.

The vehicles used are normally but not always, standard length refurbished "Dartmasters" so called because of the new powertrain fitted when they were refurbished by Marshalls and others.
 
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Almost; they run a special heritage service over parts of two "normal" routes, the 9 and 15.

15 from Tower Hill to Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square; 9 from Aldwych to Royal Albert Hall, both routes overlap between Aldwych and Charing Cross and operate roughly between 0900 and 1900 daily.

The vehicles used are normally but not always, standard length refurbished "Dartmasters" so called because of the new powertrain fitted when they were refurbished by Marshalls and others.
Awesome, so I was right then. I have fond memories of the number 15 bus when I was there last. Any chance they will still be running this time next year?

Are any of these old buses privately owned? If they are, are they often seen driving about, say tour groups or 'party buses'?

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The tenders on the 9H and the 15H are up in November 2010 so will still be around for a bit then - and maybe even extended!
 

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Once again thanks for all your excellent replies. We both enjoyed our trip to London and rode on quite a few trains whilst there.

We made regular journeys between our hotel in Borehamwood and central London on the Thameslink class 319's and the Northern Line from Kentish Town.

Was kind of looking forward to trying out the 319's since they're supposed to be getting cascaded to us in 4 years time after our Liverpool - Manchester line gets electryfied. I have to say that apart from their quick acceleration (like all EMU's) I was rather unimpressed by their interiors they seemed no greater than a glorified electrical Sprinter! Let's hope they get a good refurb before we get them as comfort wise I'd sooner stick with the 156's which we currently have!

LU wise we met up with my London based auntie and uncle Sunday before last and went for a meal in the Nando's in the new restaurant complex outside Euston station. After the meal we walked them down to Euston Victoria Line. Dylan (my son) wanted to get straight on the underground there and then but I wanted to go on the Metropolitan Line instead so we came back up and made the short walk to Euston Square.

From Euston Square we took a Metropolitan Line train to Aldgate where we jumped another back in the opposite direction until we saw what we "thought" was a south bound Jubilee Line train at Wembley Park only to find ourselves further north at Kingsley where we, after a desperate wander for a public loo, caught another Jubilee Line train back down to Finchley Road then changed back to the Metropolitan Line one stop to Baker Street en route to Bank and the DLR via the Jubille and Central Lines.

As expected Dylan loved the DLR. The first train we got on had a "driver" which initaially disapointed him until he found out she was only there to do the doors! We made sure we sat at either the very front or back of the DLR trains and travelled as far as Canning Town then made our way back to Tower Gateway.

It's certainly an experience getting a "drivers eye" view whilst travelling on those trains. Riding through the tunnels I thought I was the Firestarter! (Prodigy song).

Presumably Tower Hill LU was only round the corner I thought but could we find it anywhere, no. It was getting late by this time and we followed another family, who claimed to know the way to Tower Hill, round to Fenchurch Street who's staff told us they didn't operate any connections back to Borehamwood. Eventually we made our way back to Tower Gateway and made a connection back to Bank then back home to Borehamwood.

The following day, Monday, was Legoland day. To be honest we were both dissapointed by Legoland and even Dylan, who is only seven and dislikes scary fairground rides, thought the place was babyish!

The best moment of the entire trip came on the way back from Slough to Paddington where we rode on a FGW MK3(?) pulled by a loco. I've been telling Dylan for a long time about the old slam door trains. God I've been missing those babies myself ever since I was his age when ours got taken away and replaced by pathetic Pacers (yeah yeah I know - the avater's just a love-hate thing btw!). Needless to say we wound the door window right down and stuck both our heads out virtually all the way back to Paddington! The leather seats in First class also went down well too!

The last full day of our trip, Tuesday, we went to the Transport museum in Covent Garden. It was OK and the side shows were good but I was expecting there to be more vehicles on display and Dylan was rather disapointed that most vehicles denied public access beyond the foot plates. Though getting his card franked at the 12 different stamp machines kept him entertained!

Following the Transport museum we made our way to Pizza Hell in Fulham Broadway for the Tuesday night all you can eat pizza for £6. Was really good and would recommend it.

Overall a very enjoyable trip and he already wants to go back again. BTW where are all these suppossed "Mind the Gap" stations?

OK maybe the wrong section to ask, but when we go back again we'd really like to catch a few slammers if possible. Don't care whether they are EMU, DMU are pulled by a loco or whatever, just as long as they have a door with a wind down window - that goes slam! Is Paddington and the FGW the only place to catch these anymore?
 

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Once again thanks for all your excellent replies. We both enjoyed our trip to London and rode on quite a few trains whilst there.

Overall a very enjoyable trip and he already wants to go back again. BTW where are all these suppossed "Mind the Gap" stations?

OK maybe the wrong section to ask, but when we go back again we'd really like to catch a few slammers if possible. Don't care whether they are EMU, DMU are pulled by a loco or whatever, just as long as they have a door with a wind down window - that goes slam! Is Paddington and the FGW the only place to catch these anymore?

Best MTG station probably Waterloo (Bakerloo) Southbound to Elephant.

Slam doors from London are really only now available regularly on HSTs on either FGW or whoever is running East Coast, Trouble with EC is they are normally restricted to pick up only before Peterborough so its a long and expensive ride! Not only that but poor line clearances and tunnels may not be the best places for your son to stick his head out! So you are looking at FGW services ex Paddington, sorry.
 

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You forget the Great Eastern (but again, only on the Norwich services) and WSMR (again, restricted in pick up/set down).

And, of course, the Cross Country HST services.
 

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Which is the best slam door train out of Paddington that is valid for a 1-6 zone Travelcard? Also how long before these trains are replaced?
 

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virgin operate a loco hauled set out of Euston, I think it goes to Birmingham but it isn't very frequesnt

not anymore, used to be frequant but its gone now
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Which is the best slam door train out of Paddington that is valid for a 1-6 zone Travelcard? Also how long before these trains are replaced?

the only slam door trains are HST`s but the seem to run non-stop to reading out of paddington
 
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The trains that go to and from Aldgate what kind of stock are they? I rode on one and got a shot of the interior when I was down in London, looked old...
 

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I'd also recommend the Croydon tram network. It's in zones 3-5. You could get Thameslink direct from Elstree to Wimbledon, or the District Line from Edgware Road or Charing Cross etc, or fast trains from Waterloo. Then go on the tram to New Addington or Beckenham Junction. This runs through countryside on old railway lines, the Addington route goes through a tunnel, and the Beckenham route alongside a main line. And of course there's street running in Croydon. Very entertaining. You could return from East Croydon to Elstree on Thameslink (changing somewhere between Blackfriars and St P to a stopper).

Your best bet for slam door stock is an NXEA Norwich train that calls at Stratford. These are officially pick up / set down only, but you could get on an xx:30 up to 14:30 from Liverpool Street and make a quick exit at Stratford, or xx:10 (ex Norwich) from Stratford to Liv St. You can of course get to Stratford by DLR, Jubilee, Central, Overground or main line - it's a very busy and interesting station, with good views of the Olympic heroics en route!
 

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I'd also recommend the Baker Street - Amersham run. You see a considerable amount on this journey. The line is in tunnel until Finchley Road, but from then on the Jubilee line runs parallel to the tracks, so your son may enjoy racing a 1996 stock Jubilee train from the oldest trains still on the system, an A60 unit! You'll also see the Metropolitan Line depot at Neasden, and from then you enter Metroland: the suburbs built in the 1930s with their mock tudor mansions and golf courses. The line becomes quite scenic at this point too which makes a change I suppose! Your travelcard also covers Chiltern Railway services from Amersham to Marylebone which stop at Chalfont & Latimer and Harrow-on-the-Hill. These services use refurbished 165s.

Alternatively, change trains at Chalfont and Latimer and take the branch to Chesham. It's one of the few single track lines on the Tube and feels more like a rural branch than a commuter line. I think the water tower at Chesham is still extant too. Another branch off the Amersham line is the branch to Watford, however it terminates in the town centre and not at Watford Junction. Finally, for a round-robin trip, go on the Metropolitan line to Uxbridge and go back on the Piccadilly.
 

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Finally, for a round-robin trip, go on the Metropolitan line to Uxbridge and go back on the Piccadilly.

Or rather than double back, when you get to Uxbridge take a 222 bus to Hounslow West and use the other Piccadilly branch to return.
 

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kingcross to uxbridge on the metropolitan line you get to see a lot of different bits and other lines or south kennsington to acton town on the piccadilly a good view
 

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Apoligies for a seemingly perculiar question but what has happened to the smell of the London Underground these days? It was a rather distinct smell. I travel every day on Liverpool's Wirral Line "underground" and it's smell is totally different.

You lot might not have noticed that anything has changed, what with traveling on it every day, but someone like myself, whoose previous journey was over 10 years ago, I've noticed that the lovely "dirty" smell seems to have been cleaned up and gone away somewhat.

Obviously it's the kind of thing that LU would be looking to change as most ordinary passengers would presumably rather have a smell free tube. But for enthusiasts like myself it's just not the same anymore.
 

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Apoligies for a seemingly perculiar question but what has happened to the smell of the London Underground these days? It was a rather distinct smell. I travel every day on Liverpool's Wirral Line "underground" and it's smell is totally different.

You lot might not have noticed that anything has changed, what with traveling on it every day, but someone like myself, whoose previous journey was over 10 years ago, I've noticed that the lovely "dirty" smell seems to have been cleaned up and gone away somewhat.

Obviously it's the kind of thing that LU would be looking to change as most ordinary passengers would presumably rather have a smell free tube. But for enthusiasts like myself it's just not the same anymore.

Probably a lot to do with the changes in traction delivery and braking on the modern units in use today - I well remember pulling up in the 9 car platform at Highgate s/bound with a set of 1938 tube stock (and 1959 was not much different) amidst clouds of brake dust and other accumulated detritis!
 

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Having traveled over the complete croydon tramlink network back in october 2008 i can say it is a very nice system to travel on and it does pass through some great area's


Nice areas? Croydon? lol!
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I'd also recommend the Croydon tram network. It's in zones 3-5.

Well, strictly speaking, its not in zones 3-5, but a Travelcard valid in zone 3 OR 4 OR 5 OR 6 is valid the whole length:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Tube-DLR-Trams-and-Train-Travelcard-zones-Map.pdf

But a bus pass is valid on it also. Which is peculiar, as a Travelcard is valid on any bus, regardless of what zones you are travelling in or what zones it is valid for, but you cannot use a zone 1 or 2 travelcard on the Trams...

And I think they call it London Trams now, not Tramlink. And they've been painted a horrible shade of green.
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I'd Your best bet for slam door stock is an NXEA Norwich train that calls at Stratford. These are officially pick up / set down only,

Which means if an inspector or the guard comes along, you'll end up having to pay to wherever in Suffolk!
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If you want slam doors, go down to the Bluebell or Watercress or something.
 

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Please fill my survey out, i am student at Bournemouth University studying Interactive media. I am currently building an interactive london underground map, the idea is that it would be an installation at the station and on a website. you can finding your quickest route as the map automatically updates according to delays and line closures, also have information on where different Olympic venues are in London.

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Why would the map not be suitable for the growing multi-cultural society we live in?

The Underground map is excellent at serving its purpose. You cannot fill it up with station facilities, as it would become clutered, difficult to read and understand. Plus language problems. It is better to leave it as it is, and provide this information elsewhere, such as in leaflets that are available in different languages.

If you touch the Underground map, you will suffer the wrath of boris Johnson as well as the media!
 
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