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Can a route running 2- or 3-coach trains ever pay its way?

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JonathanH

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But I don’t buy the argument about the lines that the 769s were destined for not being great money spinners - Reading Basing is, and will always be a very busy commuting route. I’ve used it in the evening peak for a few trips recently and it is back to how busy it was in 2019, not helped by having a few 2 cars turn up on it of late. And that’s with the more spread out services.
When you compare something like St Albans to London, with 12-car 700s running full loads of passengers into London with something like Reading to Basingstoke or the North Downs Line using 3-car units at less than crush load on a half hourly basis it seems obvious that the first will make money for the railway and the latter needs revenue support, even if the trains are full to the point of all seats occupied.

The advantage of the railway is where it can move large numbers of people. If they were run commercially I do not think that lines like Reading to Basingstoke or the North Downs Line, on their own, could justify new trains without external funding.

Back in the early 1990s, Network South East was fortunate that it could extend its Thames Line order for Turbo units by one extra 2-car unit to cover Reading to Basingstoke, with the other covered by the existing order, and then, in the light of a growth build on the Chiltern line and lower passenger numbers after the early 1990s recession, free up seven units for the North Downs Line.

Clearly they aren't the biggest basket cases on the railway but neither are they money spinners. I guess that some of the operational cost of Reading to Basingstoke as a route is covered by freight which helps. North Downs Line much less clear.
 
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The simple answer is yes, can cover costs and make money. But rather depends to what standard the line is maintained to (speed, signal spacing, station staffing etc)

But it is about bums on seats, selling sufficient tickets, protecting revenue from ticketless travel etc. Train might have 200-250 seats.

If you sell 100 tickets at £1/mile, and your stopping service is averaging only 20 miles an hour, or everyone travels average 5 miles, then revenue is £500 or £1000 for round trip. Could get £10,000 per day.

Of course some passengers will connect into (or from) other services, which complicates it.
 

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When Go-Ahead ran the Thames Trains franchise, in the final years (2003/4) they were able to pay a premium to the Treasury. This was communicated to us commuters via adverts on board the units, as we sat on very threadbare 'blue blaze' moquette.

It was entirely normal back then for inner-suburban GWML for single 2 and 3 car Turbo units to run into Paddington in the peaks (absolutely rammed!).
 
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Certainly on the North Downs Line I would think from my observations that the majority of passengers, off peak at least, are using it as part of a longer journey to/from Gatwick or changing at Reading, it’s not a simple stand-alone service, whether it’s a “money-spinner” or not.
 
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