Class08Shunter
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Can a Eurostar Class 373/e300 go to Amsterdam as I have only seen e320s at Amsterdam.
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Can a Eurostar Class 373/e300 go to Amsterdam?
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zwk500
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Not sure if this is the case - e300s have 1.5KV DC for the Ski Trains, which is the same standard the Dutch network uses. The Signalling was the big problem - you need the Dutch ATB for their classic lines and ETCS L2 for their high-speed lines, and it was easier to build additional trains (that were also German-capable) than to try and retrofit the systems onto the e300s.
Nym
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The power may be the same but I do not believe the Pantograph behaviours are the same. NL requires height limited pantographs for gaps and bridges.
zwk500
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Interesting, thanks.
DanielB
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There actually is a special sign indicating that foreign trains need to lower their pantographs. Those should be in place at the only part of the route where you'd encounter bridges, as the very same route was used by the Belgian locos for Benelux IC-services several years ago.
Though I presume the lack of ATB is the real issue as ProRail doesn't allow new services without ATB installed in the cab. And probably the NSI staff driving Eurostars is only trained on the e320, so you'd also need to find a driver being e300 qualified AND being trained for the Dutch signalling system AND is speaking Dutch.
Nym
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Yep.
And when the ICNG comes on line, it’s going to be much nicer to ride on them than it is to stay on a Valero anyway.
Comfort wise it’s a whole new generation, when it works.
So id personally change at Brussels anyway. (Although I’d usually fly or drive to AMS or other places in NL)
And when the ICNG comes on line, it’s going to be much nicer to ride on them than it is to stay on a Valero anyway.
Comfort wise it’s a whole new generation, when it works.
So id personally change at Brussels anyway. (Although I’d usually fly or drive to AMS or other places in NL)
paul_munich
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I don't believe the Class 373 will behave like what was seen in the video. The pantograph will spring up and strike the equipment where it resumes. Hence the requirement for height limited pantographs, nothing to do with lowering them.
DanielB
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Trains not having a height limited pantograph will have to follow the signals indicated here in section 19.5.
Though the only bridge that opens on the route an Eurostar would take won't require lowered pantographs. Those kind of bridges usually only require turning off traction current as the fixed rail above the moving section is usually not powered.
But that still doesn't give an e300 ATB, so they wouldn't be able to cross the border anyway as both in Rotterdam and Amsterdam a significant portion of the route uses conventional tracks.
Nym
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I'm aware.
That's why to run on NS needs a height limited pantograph. Rather than the normal where there is an over height drop valve as part of the Automatic Dropper Device.
Gerald Fiennes
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Yes, panto heights and contact wire tensions all different. Somewhere out there will be a photo of the control knob of the C373 driving position, showing all the various networks it can cope with, including (from memory), UK 3rd rail, UK OHLE, ET OHLE (higher contact wire), SNCF 1.5kV, SNCB 3 kV, SNCB 25kV and SNCF 25kV, which makes the point quite well. This alters all the transformer and signallling control settings, as well as switching pantos and altering their tension as well. Quite a piece of kit!
With some adaptions the 373 could potentiallly be modified for use in NL but the issue will be the cost, particularly the difficulty in getting authorisations for that country (there would probably be other systems, such as fire supression, that would be incomptabile with today's standards). The 374s were purpose built for all the countries ES was interested in, including DE, and that's what ES will be using for NL for the foreseeable future.
With some adaptions the 373 could potentiallly be modified for use in NL but the issue will be the cost, particularly the difficulty in getting authorisations for that country (there would probably be other systems, such as fire supression, that would be incomptabile with today's standards). The 374s were purpose built for all the countries ES was interested in, including DE, and that's what ES will be using for NL for the foreseeable future.
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